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Stew New user 29 Posts |
I posted a question on Ed Kwon's magic castle performance in the Workers forum, and have a similar question on his coin work. Does anyone know the coin routine he does at the beginning of this video? I know the whole performance is a tribute to Dai Vernon. I really like this young man's style. Very clean and straight forward. Thanks.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1rgaI6S5c7U&t=179s |
Degio Regular user It took me years to get to 152 Posts |
I believe it's David Roth's Sh***ed Coins Across
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Stew New user 29 Posts |
Thanks!!!
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Mb217 Inner circle 9520 Posts |
Yep, Degio is correct, it's one of Roth's best pieces of magic IMHO. It has been a real staple for me as to coins across because it appears just so impossible.
Kwon did well with it and put in a few nice touches of his own worth considering.
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Jumbopenny Loyal user Bay Area, Northern California USA 257 Posts |
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On Dec 18, 2018, Degio wrote: Granted Dai Vernon called David Roth "the greatest coin manipulator in the world" you may be right. However, it's hard to say just by watching the last phase. All coins across routines using a s***l end like this purely due to the nature of the gimmick. There are many versions. Roth's routine ends with a spider grip vanish, not a classic palm as Ed does. My favorite coins across to watch using a s***l is Mark Mason's S***l Shocked. I say watch because the way my hands are won't allow me to perform it that way. With that said Roth's routine will serve you very well. |
warren Inner circle uk 4138 Posts |
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On Dec 19, 2018, Jumbopenny wrote: You can't get stronger than the last coin appearing in the spectators hand so to finish it any other way would be a step backwards in my opinion, however the first phases definitely allow the performer to add his own personality and originality into the routine I know I definitely have. |
PaulIngram New user 63 Posts |
Hi Stew - check this out:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L52tdunHhfo&t=36s I've performed the routines well over 10 thousand times since 1982, hope you enjoy my personal handling... |
Mb217 Inner circle 9520 Posts |
Great handling Paul, love watching you do that. Like I said, it's darn hard to beat for a coins across, just impossible looking. Funny thing is that it's not a difficult routine to do with practice, and you've really made it your own...Some wonderful little nuances there. Really fun presentation, for them and you...That's the best magic of all. That's why I used to say that this was just about the only coin trick you ever had to carry with you...It truly says it all as to coin magic.
And Jumbo, it is Roth's Coins Across for sure, but Kwon just changed a couple of things in his presentation of it. I sorta mentioned this when I said "a few nice touches of his own." above. Personally, I like to see things progress or at least give-way to some viable alternatives along the same lines and outcomes. Yes, Roth finishes his routine with a SV, but there are other ways and Kwon uses a good alternative here, that leads to a slightly different finish of the spec dropping the coins to the table and him cleaning-up nicely in retrieving the purse from his vest pocket. It works! Also, I like the handling he did as to the 3rd phase as to a sorta visible coins across...Nice change-up there. I actually present the routine a few different ways, and not always to the spec's hand, though admittedly that's about the best you can get. But it really is a versatile routine, and Roth's original presentation is still as well done as always but it also opens the door to other ways from his basic handling.
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Jumbopenny Loyal user Bay Area, Northern California USA 257 Posts |
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On Dec 19, 2018, Jumbopenny wrote: Sorry guys, my fault. Somehow, I started watching Ed's performance at the last phase, and thought that's all there was. I couldn't figure out how everyone could see it was Roth's routine seeing only the last phase. After watching the whole performanc at the core it is based on Roth's routine. Although the last 2 phases are different, and imho are better. |
Jumbopenny Loyal user Bay Area, Northern California USA 257 Posts |
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On Dec 19, 2018, warren wrote: Actually, there is a different way you can end the routine and still use the spec's hand. You are assuming a s***l has to be the gimmick of choice, but there are other gimmicks that can be used, and I feel that allow an even stronger ending. The tell is in how the last coin travels. Yes, most of us started with David'd routine, and modified some of the phases. However, can you simply say it's David's routine when the last 2 phases are different. I just know that he will be surprised when he looks up Roth's routine and it has a couple of significant differences in 2 of the phases. Just trying to bring that to his attention. |
Jumbopenny Loyal user Bay Area, Northern California USA 257 Posts |
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On Dec 19, 2018, PaulIngram wrote: I always say that great magic is in the details, and your performance is very detailed. I can tell you've performed this 10 thousand times. Congrats. Love that you use dollar sized coins. Makes it more visible, and seemingly more impossible. I try to use large coins whenever possible. I would love your opinion on one thing though. Your magic is very specific, so you've probably considered this already. Is there a reason for your speed/ timing to be on the fast side? I just felt that you could have slowed it down slightly in between phases and let the specs experience the moment of amazement that you've created. Just as they start to react you jump into the next phase. It's like how some people eat really fast. They shove more in their mouths as they're still chewing on the previous bite. As if somehow it'll taste different. Maybe, it's simply that you're performing at an event and want to get to as many guests as possible? |
warren Inner circle uk 4138 Posts |
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On Dec 19, 2018, Jumbopenny wrote: I'm not assuming the s***l has to be the gimmick of choice at all, for me using that gimmick is quite a recent addition as most of my coin magic is gaff free however if your using a s***l for coins across then it makes perfect sense to use it in that standard way as shown in the clip for having the final coin appear in the spectators hand, in fact it would be illogical to use a different method as long as you can do a clean vanish of the final coin it serves the purpose perfectly well in my opinion that is. Finally if you read my post again you'll see that I never actually said it was Davids routine. |
Jumbopenny Loyal user Bay Area, Northern California USA 257 Posts |
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On Dec 19, 2018, warren wrote: I was simply responding to your initial post above. I never said it wasn't a strong finish, and to finish it another way. I stated that using a s***l it's the only way you can finish due to the nature of the gimmick. As far as I can tell we agree on everything. Not sure why you quoted me as if I was saying the opposite. Also, I didn't mean to imply that YOU said it was David's routine. I meant to post it on this thread in general, but happened to do as a response to your quote. Apologies. |
warren Inner circle uk 4138 Posts |
I must have misread your post as I thought you said actually "there are different ways to end the routine still using the spectators hand" where as I personally think it would be much better to finish the routine with the final coin ending in the spectators hand.....Either way no harm done as the written word can and often does get misinterpreted
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Stew New user 29 Posts |
Well done! Very nice routine PaulIngram!
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Dougini Inner circle The Beautiful State Of Maine 7130 Posts |
Paul, you obviously know your stuff! The camera really screwed it up for me. A tripod works best for this stuff. Some camera motions make me physically ill. Don't know why that is.
Regarding Coins Across, I found a DVD by Charlie Justice called "Covert Coins". It uses a 3 coins across routine. Unfortunately, the Ed Kwon vid is deleted from YouTube. Can't comment on that. I've done the Roth routine for years! That last coin...that is brilliant! I have some ideas using a holdout. Also, I have experimented with a M------c coin and the Raven. If my Ike Dollar Expanded [ was shimmed, that is how I'd end the routine. It ain't though. It fits too good now. A shim would screw it up. Roth's routine is timeless. Really, no improvements are needed. I also do a gaffless Coins Across. Roth also teaches that one. Doug |
warren Inner circle uk 4138 Posts |
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On Dec 21, 2018, Dougini wrote: Doug as the video is missing if you look on youtube you can see Micheal Vincent's magic castle performance where he performs coins across which uses a glass for the first 2 coins, Ed's routine is basically the same but without the glass as it borrows heavily from Micheal's routine. |
Jumbopenny Loyal user Bay Area, Northern California USA 257 Posts |
Ed Kwon's vid is currently available again, but not sure if it'll be taken down again:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?t=179s&v=1rgaI6S5c7U |
Dougini Inner circle The Beautiful State Of Maine 7130 Posts |
That's OK, I downloaded and saved it! Thanks Jumbo! That's a keeper!
Doug |
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