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Wondering if this holds any interest for the posters here. Daniel Negreanu teaches poker masterclasses on video.


https://www.masterclass.com/classes/dani......es-poker
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As much as I like Negreanu as a tournament player, he's an even better cash player.
BUT ... as with "all things poker", there's a pretty good chance you'll find everything he proposes to teach you in Sklansky's Theory of Poker.

It's only a personal opinion, but ToP is really the only thing you'll ever need in terms of poker instruction.
I guess understanding Doyle Brunson's original theory(s) from back in the day can't hurt either (the power of small suited connectors et all), but Brunson's style of play is pretty commonplace these days. It's a long way from the days when Brunson was the only guy at the table who knew how to kick major butt.

As for trying to instruct somebody on identifying tells, it's (again) just a personal opinion, but I don't believe such instruction is possible ... I believe that picking up tells is something one acquires only through personal experience and actual play.

I'd defintely watch Negreanu's masterclass videos out of interest, but it's not something I'd pay for.
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Thanks. I'd definitely watch Negreanu's masterclass videos also if only because is think he is cool. It has been ages since I read and watched Caro's work on Tells but I think they improved my game.
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Wonder how he will stack up against DOC Smile
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..... It has been ages since I read and watched Caro's work on Tells but I think they improved my game.


I read, and re-read Caro's book Tommy, and for the life of me I couldn't get anything at all out of it that wasn't simply common sense.
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I bought the class a little while ago. It’s not bad. Daniel is like Jason England, you could listen to teach for hours on end and never get bored.
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Well, Caro's work on Tells is perhaps based on his experience as opposed to logic and I have seen the same tells in play and I get what he is talking about.
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The game has evolved well beyond Caro’s . Back then game was about the two cards you have vs what your opponent has. That is not the way the game is played now.
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The cash game of choice here is Omaha 4,5 or 6 card dealers choice but the comps are usually Hold'em.
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I subscribed to Masterclass initially for the Negreanu poker course (which is very good). I went for the full subscription (vs the single class) and am very glad I did as there are lots of other interesting topics and with the full pass they are all included. For example, I just went through the Penn and Teller course. Is somewhat basic but enjoyed listening to them and there were a few great nuggets (a couple of great lessons where together with Johhny Thompson they workshop with two performers including Piff the Magic Dragon).
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Phil Ivey is now doing a Master Class. Be interesting to compare and contrast the two.
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Phil Ivey is now doing a Master Class. Be interesting to compare and contrast the two.


I guess the contrast would be that Daniel has written a book and explained a lot of his strategies in detail (likely shared again in detail with his online course), and Phil hasn't written a book (and likely won't ever), and probably won't be sharing any of his detailed strategies in his online course.

At the very least though, both players represent a style of play and advanced strategy that are "new" and fresh, unlike the worn out strategies of guys like Brunson and Hellmuth, purveyors of hackneyed strategies that even rank newbies can spot as soon as they're deployed.
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Watching the trailer for a masterclass ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mYwc6ZF1z5s ) I was wondering about one particular branch of poker playing, which is - trying to see if the opponent is bluffing.

In the trailer it was shown ( and told ) that Ivey won over his opponent by seeing deception in his opponents reply to his question. I wounder if it is completely BS, because Ivy might do the same thing 10 times and the thing that was shown is his only successful attempt (highlight), which means it leads Ivey (and people who watch the trailer) to believe that he is a master at detecting deception, which he is not.

Overall we see poker players telling about how to spot lies and how to see this and that and I am really curious how probable this strategy is? Is it a waste of time?

We know that there are AI algorithms that can beat pro players easily and with little fail ( big reveal AI does not care about the person ).

Obviously, tracking persons betting behavior is a real thing. But looking into his/hers body language and analyzing the speech, in my opinion, is something not trustworthy. Can someone say more?


And I want to add that the medium of television and internet is really misinforming anybody on every topic, because we only see highlights. The same applies to poker and poker strategies. Is this a case of misinformation?
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I think staring at another players eyes, or asking them something in order to watch how they respond to it ... and then from that interaction trying to determine whether they're bluffing or not is simply a gut level "thing", really just a highly personal skill that's learned through thousands of hours sitting at a bricks and mortar poker table watching human behaviour up close.

I concluded long ago that you can't teach anybody "poker sense" ... they either have it, or they don't.
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Explaining that gut-level "thing" and the thousands of hours it takes:

https://documentaryheaven.com/my-brillia......-genius/

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Just FYI for everyone, Phil Ivey has also just released a masterclass
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On Aug 30, 2019, holdingoutflat wrote:
Just FYI for everyone, Phil Ivey has also just released a masterclass


You don't say.
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As much as I like Negreanu as a tournament player, he's an even better cash player.
BUT ... as with "all things poker", there's a pretty good chance you'll find everything he proposes to teach you in Sklansky's Theory of Poker.

It's only a personal opinion, but ToP is really the only thing you'll ever need in terms of poker instruction.
I guess understanding Doyle Brunson's original theory(s) from back in the day can't hurt either (the power of small suited connectors et all), but Brunson's style of play is pretty commonplace these days. It's a long way from the days when Brunson was the only guy at the table who knew how to kick major butt.

As for trying to instruct somebody on identifying tells, it's (again) just a personal opinion, but I don't believe such instruction is possible ... I believe that picking up tells is something one acquires only through personal experience and actual play.

I'd defintely watch Negreanu's masterclass videos out of interest, but it's not something I'd pay for.


Bronson's Super System was a wonderful book. Sklansky is an engaging author and his book is great.

Poker is as much art as science. Poker tells are fine art. Mike Caro's book of tells is pretty good at some of them. But as much as it is art he can e plain it but in play it is a horse of a different color.
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Just FYI for everyone, Phil Ivey has also just released a masterclass


You don't say.


It would seem to be that a masterclass with Phil Ivey would be an interesting spin on classic theory. So many compilations of him online playing...3-7 off suit as if they're pocket queens or something
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On Aug 30, 2019, Marlin1894 wrote:
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On Aug 30, 2019, holdingoutflat wrote:
Just FYI for everyone, Phil Ivey has also just released a masterclass


You don't say.


It would seem to be that a masterclass with Phil Ivey would be an interesting spin on classic theory. So many compilations of him online playing...3-7 off suit as if they're pocket queens or something


I'm waiting for Daniel Negreanu to do a masterclass.
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