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Shoreline99 New user 50 Posts	Posted: Jan 16, 2019 01:20 am 0 Recently, I noticed, I think the pendulum is linked with subject's eye movements. The subject that pendulum is difficult to move can easily shake if you move your eyes sideways. Do you know what to call this phenomenon? According to my research, there was a similar description in McGill's The New Encyclopedia of Stage Hypnotism, but I would like to explain scientifically. Thanks
mindmagic Inner circle London 1536 Posts	Posted: Jan 16, 2019 04:08 am 0 Unless I'm missing something, McGill's "Ideomotor Method" is just a variation on the classic eye fixation ("swinging watch") induction. Barry
Shoreline99 New user 50 Posts	Posted: Jan 17, 2019 12:10 am 0 The similar description referred to The "Pendulum Over Spiral" Method in Chapter 25. Does not this have anything to do with eye movements? Thanks
mindmagic Inner circle London 1536 Posts	Posted: Jan 17, 2019 04:27 am 0 Ah, I see what you mean. He refers to "spiral fixation" in his final notes, so I think it's really still a variation on the eye fixation induction, but with added suggestion to make the pendulum move.
Matt Pulsar Inner circle 1032 Posts	Posted: Jan 17, 2019 08:09 am 0 I'm not sure I understand what you are saying. Are you saying that you follow the pendulum with your eyes and they will start to respond? A few things I find work well. First, if they are trying to control their arm so it can't move, it won't. You want them to relax the muscles in their arm while holding the pendulum. Second, they need to understand the if it's not responding the onus is on them. They are the one making the contact. Third, Have them, either out loud or in their minds, ask the crystal or pendulum bob to spin. Check out Stuart Palm's Beginner Pendulum Magic. I love pendulums! Belief Manifests Reality. Satanic Playing Cards Live on Kickstarter Now... https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/satanicplayingcards/the-satanic-playing-cards
IAIN Eternal Order england 18817 Posts	Posted: Jan 17, 2019 08:15 am 1 I just ask them to look at the bob and then imagine it moving in a direction to indicate YES. Then it does... I've asked to be banned
Shoreline99 New user 50 Posts	Posted: Jan 17, 2019 11:26 pm 1 Quote: On Jan 17, 2019, mindmagic wrote: Ah, I see what you mean. He refers to "spiral fixation" in his final notes, so I think it's really still a variation on the eye fixation induction, but with added suggestion to make the pendulum move. What do you mean "his final notes?" It means an afterword?
Shoreline99 New user 50 Posts	Posted: Jan 17, 2019 11:36 pm 0 Quote: On Jan 17, 2019, Matt Pulsar wrote: I'm not sure I understand what you are saying. Are you saying that you follow the pendulum with your eyes and they will start to respond? A few things I find work well. First, if they are trying to control their arm so it can't move, it won't. You want them to relax the muscles in their arm while holding the pendulum. Second, they need to understand the if it's not responding the onus is on them. They are the one making the contact. Third, Have them, either out loud or in their minds, ask the crystal or pendulum bob to spin. Check out Stuart Palm's Beginner Pendulum Magic. I love pendulums! That's right. I'm sorry I didn't make it clear enough. Well, this is just my hypothesis though.
funsway Inner circle old things in new ways - new things in old ways 9013 Posts	Posted: Jan 18, 2019 12:25 pm 0 I have had blind people use a pendulum effectively, and prompts like musicals notes and finger directions. Yes, I think that eye movements can be used to influence the behavior of a pendulum, but hardly that they are necessary or predictable or best choice. "the more one pretends at magic, the more awe and wonder will be found in real life." Arnold Furst eBooks at https://www.lybrary.com/ken-muller-m-579928.html questions at ken@eversway.com
Shoreline99 New user 50 Posts	Posted: Jan 18, 2019 04:59 pm 0 Quote: On Jan 18, 2019, funsway wrote: I have had blind people use a pendulum effectively, and prompts like musicals notes and finger directions. Yes, I think that eye movements can be used to influence the behavior of a pendulum, but hardly that they are necessary or predictable or best choice. I appreciate you doing it.
mindmagic Inner circle London 1536 Posts	Posted: Jan 19, 2019 03:56 am 0 Quote: On Jan 17, 2019, Shoreline99 wrote: Quote: On Jan 17, 2019, mindmagic wrote: Ah, I see what you mean. He refers to "spiral fixation" in his final notes, so I think it's really still a variation on the eye fixation induction, but with added suggestion to make the pendulum move. What do you mean "his final notes?" It means an afterword? The first paragraph of the "Note to Hypnotist" at the end of the piece, p.144.
Senor Fabuloso Inner circle 1243 Posts	Posted: Feb 27, 2019 11:24 am 0 Wouldn't any subliminal influence help to create the ideomotor response desired? No matter how many times you say the wrong thing, it will NEVER be right. If I'm not responding to you? It's because you're a TROLL!
aligator Inner circle Canada 2050 Posts	Posted: Feb 27, 2019 12:10 pm 0 Probably...... it should.
kannon Inner circle BCN 1025 Posts	Posted: Feb 27, 2019 04:24 pm 0 Interesting thoughts on eye movement My work and the Mtangulizi here http://kannonsworks.weebly.com featuring work on drawing duplications, a fiddle-free billet tear, bar mentalism, pendulums
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