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emkay New user 5 Posts |
Fellow conjurers!
Ive seen a version of ACAAN by the swedish magicians Brynolf & Ljung, where the deck is given to the spectator, and he deals cards into the magicians hand and he is told that he can deal of as many cards as he wants, or even take back cards if that's what he wants to do, and then finally stop whenever he wants, and of course that card is the chosen one. I do a version of ACAAN myself that involves a halfpass, but I still cant figure out the method to this one. Anyone who can lead me to the source of this trick? Thanks! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ve8D5N6M3Zc |
The Burnaby Kid Inner circle St. John's, Canada 3158 Posts |
Well, there's CAAN and then ACAAN. If we're talking about a chosen card dealt to by the spectator, yeah, that's a CAAN and there are a few of these out there. There's a method taught in Expert Card Technique that actually left out the important detail of it being the spectator who deals. Look into Paul Chosse.
Oh, erm, if you'll excuse me, I have to cough. Ahem... cough... ahem... besuretocheckoutchapter12inthebooklinkedtoinmysignaturebelow! Ahem... Sorry about that. If you're looking for something foolproof, you could just use a Svengali deck. It'd make for a great initial selection as well. However, if you're talking about a spectator-dealt ACAAN, that's ANY card at any number. If we have a spectator dealing down wherever they want and then randomly naming any card, and they turning over that card... well, it should work 1 time in 52. Alternately, you could look into making a dark pact with the elder gods. There are ways to finesse a CAAN into an ACAAN, and while that's a clumsy way to go in my opinion, somebody's probably out there killing with it.
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shaunluttin Special user 759 Posts |
Burnaby, have you considered Cold FX?
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Brad Ballew Regular user Nashville, TN 105 Posts |
Well considering that the spectators are able to run through the cards right after, I'd say he drops the chosen card on the packet during a a brief moment of misdirection before they get to turn it over. I can't think how else you could give someone such a free choice otherwise.
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martydoesmagic Inner circle Essex, UK 1665 Posts |
The sleight of hand being used can clearly been seen in the video (if you know what to look for). Elements of the method have been hidden using careful editing (not a bad thing).
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IncantoMagic New user 54 Posts |
The editing is definitely used to give the tv audience a different experience than the actual spectators.
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magico Special user Connecticut 862 Posts |
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kaubell New user 90 Posts |
"The sleight of hand being used can clearly been seen in the video (if you know what to look for). Elements of the method have been hidden using careful editing (not a bad thing)".
^^ I don't think theres any heavy sleight, or editing that cuts anything important. Its just psychological stop force, usually they deal 4 or max 7 cards after you say "and you can stop whenever you want". He simply puts it into position further in the deck, asks to deal, until theres 7 cards left and hints them to stop, after that its just hit or multiple out, either dl, tl, top card in your packet, top card in my packet, etc. If he misses alot, he probably will spread to locate and sidesteal the card to top or pass, but in these cases he was lucky he dealt more, with woman he dl't. You can see from his face his counting when they deal cards, he waits until he use stop force. I don't think theres editing, or any real sleight (than dl). |
Sixten Inner circle Floral Park, NY, U.S.A. 4654 Posts |
"Si's ACAAN"
I have many ACAAN's, & this one, in my opinion, is the cleanest there is. After the spec. gives you the card & no., you display the deck, face-up, showing that it is a normal deck, no dups., then, place it, face-down, on the table. (You or the spec. can deal) According to the specs., that I have performed this for, they all have said: 'That is Impossible!!' And, Mr. entity, first, Happy '19, & I Thank You, again, for this wonderful gem. |
Steven Keyl Inner circle Washington, D.C. 2630 Posts |
The effect linked at the top of the thread is closer to an Open Prediction than an ACAAN, as no number is named at the beginning. The spectator gets to deal until they decide to stop. For me, this is a better effect than ACAAN, because the spec gets to decide IN THE MOMENT when the dealing will end and it doesn't have to be predetermined.
Here is a version I adapted from a Patrick Redford handling of the Open Prediction. If handled right, it can look quite clean. And it's entirely impromptu.
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The Burnaby Kid Inner circle St. John's, Canada 3158 Posts |
Steve, wasn't there some famous magician that agreed with your sentiment about Stop vs CAAN?
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Steven Keyl Inner circle Washington, D.C. 2630 Posts |
There are many people that have agreed with me on this point, but I don't know of anyone famous that has explicitly stated a preference for the OP over ACAAN.
In terms of my interactions, the only person to state a direct preference to me was Asi Wind. He prefers ACAAN because he said it just feels more impossible than OP. Obviously, I disagree.
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Chris K Inner circle 2544 Posts |
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On Jan 30, 2019, Steven Keyl wrote: Nicely done, Steven. My current favorite "Open Prediction"-ish effect is based on a Redford effect too, I believe it is called Advantageous and it's from his Applesauce book. I also to really like Storm as well (just an aside). I tend to agree with you in terms of Open Prediction vs ACAAN. My rationale is more towards the theatrics of the moment. You allude to it above when discussing how the spectator gets to decide in the moment. The idea here is that if a card is named, and then a number, and it doesn't take a genius to anticipate the card will be at that number. With an Open Prediction, the idea that the stopping point can occur anytime; it's a surprise, to performer, to the spectator, to the audience. It almost seems more impossible. From a methodology standpoint (not giving anything away, don't worry), the idea that the performer is informed AHEAD OF TIME where the spectator will stop dealing is something the audience could latch onto, as a method, no matter how "clean" it looks ("he moved it to that spot somehow "). In an Open Prediction, especially if the performer acts shocked ("Wait, you want to stop THERE?!"), you are in a fun little situation. That being said, I do perform an ACAAN/CAAN/SCASN (the last being "selected card at selected number"). I use the mind reading for each piece of item approach that is fleshed out in Atlas Brooking's Crusade (I use the mind reading approach, not necessarily that methodology). Best, Lem |
luvisi Special user 601 Posts |
Here are a few references I have posted before on this topic:
https://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/view......257771#4 https://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/view......art=40#2 Due to the editing, it is difficult to be sure what method he is using, but assuming it is a surefire I would guess that he is using Leipzig's approach described in Dai Vernon's Tribute to Nate Leipzig. Andru
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