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Kaliix
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Newbies starting out need to learn early how to perform a trick. Magic is hard enough to learn, but if one doesn't have performing chops. I would pick tricks that are easy to do but ones that allow for a decent performance.

The circus card trick or the lie detector card trick (key card method) are technically easy enough to perform while allowing for good audience interaction and entertainment.
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On Feb 5, 2019, kinesis wrote:
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I've been asked to teach teenagers (12 - 15yrs olds) 4 or 5 simple magic effects. Any suggestions?


I know it sounds like people are Bit***** at you, but don't read into it too much. I think the overall gist' is to go another way...... I'm gist' sayin', my $.02 cents. ... just my opinion. db (see what I did there?) ha! Thank you very much! I'll be here all week! 👌👈 < that
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Here is an alternative approach for a small group. At a birthday party years ago for a 12-14 age group I had each parent pay $5.00
to cover the cost of a small magic set from E-Z. Each contained six simple/beginner tricks.

I performed two of them during my show without their knowing I had the kits to pass out later.
They were all excited to get the magic sets - and more excited to learn that these tricks could actually be performed in a show.

Out of the eight girls, two of them later contacted me to see if they could learn more.
When I asked which of the tricks they had mastered I never heard form them again.

I have no doubt some learned a couple of tricks to amuse their friends. To me that is NOT "being interested in magic."
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I agree Ken. The situation you have described is too often the case.

These "magicians" who want to expose the methods of "commercial' tricks to "curiosity seekers", are doing just that: EXPOSING. (e.g.,see Mr. Chamberlain's post above.)

THEY ARE NOT HELPING MAGIC, OR THOSE SEEKERS who are only motivated by "secrets:.

I have years of experience, mentoring teens. Many are now successful professionals. Some are avid amateurs. It was made clear to all of them at early meetings, that I could merely help them learn. Learning is an active process, not a passive one.

We had discussions, but, I merely recommended books by well qualified magicians, and, we discussed what they had learned.

I only mentored those who showed themselves SERIOUS.
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I think the exception should be for Gospel Magic. The student of gospel related magic has devoted their life to our Savior Jesus Christ and is seeking a way to deliver His message through magic. Also, should they be deemed "not serious" through their mentor/teacher, the secrets will be safe due to the morals held by the student. Perhaps it could be recommended to pursue clowning as a way to promote Christianity(?).
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Reminds me of when the kids were little and taking TaeKwonDo. People would come in and want to know the 'Secrets' in their FREE intro lesson. Show me how to break a board or knock someone out. The idea was, sign up, pay for lessons, make a commitment, start where everyone starts, learn the basics, master the basics and advance...over time. Planned, proactive and intentional. Same with learning magic, I think.

Ken's example above with the magic kits validated the kiddos commitment or lack thereof.

Same idea applied in a magic shop where I grew up. The owner knew the basic 'tricks' and what I could (successfully) handle. Those he showed me and sold me. He would show other effects but not necessarily sell them to me because I wasn't ready. He'd say, show me this trick and how you do it. If I did it well, I might get to buy this one or that one. If I blew it, I wouldn't. He knew success in this effect meant I would be OK with that one...I know now that he was right. He said, I'd just be frustrated with that one until I learned this one.....

At the core of it all I think is striking a balance between protecting secrets, validating commitment and setting the student up for success whatever the age happens to be....kids or adults. And realizing there are those that just want to buy stuff to discover secrets, try it a few times, impress friends and throw it in a box.

And Dick's ideas on mentoring above are good ones.
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Reminds me of when the kids were little and taking TaeKwonDo. People would come in and want to know the 'Secrets' in their FREE intro lesson. Show me how to break a board or knock someone out. The idea was, sign up, pay for lessons, make a commitment, start where everyone starts, learn the basics, master the basics and advance...over time. Planned, proactive and intentional. Same with learning magic, I think.

Ken's example above with the magic kits validated the kiddos commitment or lack thereof.

Same idea applied in a magic shop where I grew up. The owner knew the basic 'tricks' and what I could (successfully) handle. Those he showed me and sold me. He would show other effects but not necessarily sell them to me because I wasn't ready. He'd say, show me this trick and how you do it. If I did it well, I might get to buy this one or that one. If I blew it, I wouldn't. He knew success in this effect meant I would be OK with that one...I know now that he was right. He said, I'd just be frustrated with that one until I learned this one.....

At the core of it all I think is striking a balance between protecting secrets, validating commitment and setting the student up for success whatever the age happens to be....kids or adults. And realizing there are those that just want to buy stuff to discover secrets, try it a few times, impress friends and throw it in a box.

And Dick's ideas on mentoring above are good ones.



Nailed It! Nailed It! Nailed it! (although my teacher would have sold me anything and did sumtimes, but taught me a lot and steered me towards books). I miss that guy!

I like your analogy using martial arts.....that's perfect.👍👍👈

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Thanks DollarBill. Mister Miyagi said, "Wax on, Wax off....Nice finish on Miyagi car validates desire to learn Daniel san."
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The session was on Friday 8th Feb
I had a class of 5 eager 15 yr old boys for 2 hrs
We had a lovely time chatting, sharing and learning, they appear to have had a really positive time. I got great feedback from the school.

Thanks for all of the advice but I didn't take any of it and I just did my thing.
Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one - Albert Einstein






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On Feb 10, 2019, kinesis wrote:
The session was on Friday 8th Feb
I had a class of 5 eager 15 yr old boys for 2 hrs
We had a lovely time chatting, sharing and learning, they appear to have had a really positive time. I got great feedback from the school.

Thanks for all of the advice but I didn't take any of it and I just did my thing.


I’m so glad it went well. That’s awesome. Thanks for sharing the outcome with us!
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On Feb 10, 2019, kinesis wrote:
The session was on Friday 8th Feb
I had a class of 5 eager 15 yr old boys for 2 hrs
We had a lovely time chatting, sharing and learning, they appear to have had a really positive time. I got great feedback from the school.

Thanks for all of the advice but I didn't take any of it and I just did my thing.


Great to hear. You can't find out if somebody is "serious" or wants more until they try it. Good for you!
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Boy, is Dick going to be disappointed!
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On Feb 10, 2019, kinesis wrote:
The session was on Friday 8th Feb
I had a class of 5 eager 15 yr old boys for 2 hrs
We had a lovely time chatting, sharing and learning, they appear to have had a really positive time. I got great feedback from the school.

Thanks for all of the advice but I didn't take any of it and I just did my thing.


Just wondering in your time together with the 5 eager boys if you taught them to respect our art
and to respect other performers. I have encountered some teens, with some knowledge, that found it necessary to blurt out some card moves to their buddies in the middle of my performance. No respect or decorum. Glad you had a positive experience but it was all for not "IF" RESPECT and COURTEOUS behaviour was not at the forefront of your class. I hope so.
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On Feb 6, 2019, Rocky wrote:
Why stop at magic? Teenagers often don't respect the subjects they are taught in public school. Math, literature, art history...these are subjects most teenagers will have little interest in, but are forced to sit through public school to learn them. Send them off to a library to teach themselves if they really have an interest and the tax payers can save millions.

I also have seen my share of retired adults who express an interest in learning magic at a later age...forget them too! They are only into it because they have spare time on their hands to butcher classic magic effects in front of their peers at the magic club...some even attempt to perform for the public only to embarrass themselves and the art of magic as a whole.


Magic Café members...we need to determine a way to measure the worth of those who wish to learn how to cut and restore rope, multiply billiard balls, and vanish a coin. Please join me in my crusade to evaluate the worthiness of those who we feel are entitled to be taught magic!!!!!


Really? I'd guess from his sarcasm directed at Dick there, that he probably meant to just poke at Dick, yet again, as I keep seeing intolerable morons doing on this site.
Whatever happened to consideration I don't know. Where I come from we have respect for the elders, especially when those folk are trying to pass on knowledge. I see it so often around here, sorry but I'm getting tired of it.
I'd say my apologies if I'm wrong in this case but it seems pretty clear. Rocky jumped on Dick right away. Pathetic.
It is against my better judgement to even comment, because the people who behave this way will then direct the same at me and that's not a game I'm playing. So um yeah, I'll close this thread now.
*poof!
I'm gone
And ... I don't even know what I'm talking about.
But I've practiced magic for two years.
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Kaliix
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Dick did nothing but crap all over the original posters idea in like four different posts. One post was enough to register his disapproval. Multiple negative posts with no real suggestions forthcoming were unnecessary. One little post saying that Dick might be disappointed (likely said tongue in cheek) was NOT the work of intolerable morons. Dick had it coming and he doesn't need you to defend him. Of all the ridiculous posts on the Café to choose from...

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On Feb 6, 2019, Rocky wrote:
Why stop at magic? Teenagers often don't respect the subjects they are taught in public school. Math, literature, art history...these are subjects most teenagers will have little interest in, but are forced to sit through public school to learn them. Send them off to a library to teach themselves if they really have an interest and the tax payers can save millions.

I also have seen my share of retired adults who express an interest in learning magic at a later age...forget them too! They are only into it because they have spare time on their hands to butcher classic magic effects in front of their peers at the magic club...some even attempt to perform for the public only to embarrass themselves and the art of magic as a whole.


Magic Café members...we need to determine a way to measure the worth of those who wish to learn how to cut and restore rope, multiply billiard balls, and vanish a coin. Please join me in my crusade to evaluate the worthiness of those who we feel are entitled to be taught magic!!!!!


Really? I'd guess from his sarcasm directed at Dick there, that he probably meant to just poke at Dick, yet again, as I keep seeing intolerable morons doing on this site.
Whatever happened to consideration I don't know. Where I come from we have respect for the elders, especially when those folk are trying to pass on knowledge. I see it so often around here, sorry but I'm getting tired of it.
I'd say my apologies if I'm wrong in this case but it seems pretty clear. Rocky jumped on Dick right away. Pathetic.
It is against my better judgement to even comment, because the people who behave this way will then direct the same at me and that's not a game I'm playing. So um yeah, I'll close this thread now.
*poof!
I'm gone
The greatest obstacle to discovery is not ignorance; it is the illusion of knowledge.
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All of my posts were done tongue in cheek...My apologies if they were offensive. I should have said in my first response that the advice given by Dick was not what I had expected.
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On Feb 10, 2019, kinesis wrote:
The session was on Friday 8th Feb
I had a class of 5 eager 15 yr old boys for 2 hrs
We had a lovely time chatting, sharing and learning, they appear to have had a really positive time. I got great feedback from the school.

Thanks for all of the advice but I didn't take any of it and I just did my thing.


Just wondering in your time together with the 5 eager boys if you taught them to respect our art
and to respect other performers. I have encountered some teens, with some knowledge, that found it necessary to blurt out some card moves to their buddies in the middle of my performance. No respect or decorum. Glad you had a positive experience but it was all for not "IF" RESPECT and COURTEOUS behaviour was not at the forefront of your class. I hope so.


Respect is learned well before a two hour class. Family, friends, school, environment all instill a sense of respect in a person. Whether it’s respect for the protocols of Magic, then tenets of scouting, or the discipline of athletics...

Bottom line is He spent a couple of hours teaching some kids somethings...he had fun, they had fun...it may lead to something more, or it may not. But bravo to Kinesis for teaching.
"Imagination is more important than knowledge."
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On Feb 13, 2019, imgic wrote:
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On Feb 10, 2019, davidpaul$ wrote:
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On Feb 10, 2019, kinesis wrote:
The session was on Friday 8th Feb
I had a class of 5 eager 15 yr old boys for 2 hrs
We had a lovely time chatting, sharing and learning, they appear to have had a really positive time. I got great feedback from the school.

Thanks for all of the advice but I didn't take any of it and I just did my thing.


Just wondering in your time together with the 5 eager boys if you taught them to respect our art
and to respect other performers. I have encountered some teens, with some knowledge, that found it necessary to blurt out some card moves to their buddies in the middle of my performance. No respect or decorum. Glad you had a positive experience but it was all for not "IF" RESPECT and COURTEOUS behaviour was not at the forefront of your class. I hope so.


Respect is learned well before a two hour class. Family, friends, school, environment all instill a sense of respect in a person. Whether it’s respect for the protocols of Magic, then tenets of scouting, or the discipline of athletics...

Bottom line is He spent a couple of hours teaching some kids somethings...he had fun, they had fun...it may lead to something more, or it may not. But bravo to Kinesis for teaching.


True in a perfect world...Do you get out much? It's ALWAYS important to stress respect, decorum and courtesy. If your statement was true why so much disrespect in our world? There would be no need for LifeLock. Smile
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On Feb 13, 2019, davidpaul$ wrote:
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On Feb 13, 2019, imgic wrote:
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On Feb 10, 2019, davidpaul$ wrote:
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On Feb 10, 2019, kinesis wrote:
The session was on Friday 8th Feb
I had a class of 5 eager 15 yr old boys for 2 hrs
We had a lovely time chatting, sharing and learning, they appear to have had a really positive time. I got great feedback from the school.

Thanks for all of the advice but I didn't take any of it and I just did my thing.


Just wondering in your time together with the 5 eager boys if you taught them to respect our art
and to respect other performers. I have encountered some teens, with some knowledge, that found it necessary to blurt out some card moves to their buddies in the middle of my performance. No respect or decorum. Glad you had a positive experience but it was all for not "IF" RESPECT and COURTEOUS behaviour was not at the forefront of your class. I hope so.


Respect is learned well before a two hour class. Family, friends, school, environment all instill a sense of respect in a person. Whether it’s respect for the protocols of Magic, then tenets of scouting, or the discipline of athletics...

Bottom line is He spent a couple of hours teaching some kids somethings...he had fun, they had fun...it may lead to something more, or it may not. But bravo to Kinesis for teaching.


True in a perfect world...Do you get out much? It's ALWAYS important to stress respect, decorum and courtesy. If your statement was true why so much disrespect in our world? There would be no need for LifeLock. Smile


Yes, respect, decorum, and courtesy should always be stressed. Such as sliding in a little jab about me getting out...
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It was a joke. Did you notice the laughing imoji? Smile
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