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Kaliix Inner circle Connecticut 1990 Posts 
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Newbies starting out need to learn early how to perform a trick. Magic is hard enough to learn, but if one doesn't have performing chops. I would pick tricks that are easy to do but ones that allow for a decent performance.
The circus card trick or the lie detector card trick (key card method) are technically easy enough to perform while allowing for good audience interaction and entertainment.
The greatest obstacle to discovery is not ignorance; it is the illusion of knowledge.
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Dollarbill Inner circle Colorado 1005 Posts
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On Feb 5, 2019, kinesis wrote: I know it sounds like people are Bit***** at you, but don't read into it too much. I think the overall gist' is to go another way...... I'm gist' sayin', my $.02 cents. ... just my opinion. db (see what I did there?) ha! Thank you very much! I'll be here all week! 👌👈 < that |
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funsway Inner circle old things in new ways - new things in old ways 9987 Posts
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Here is an alternative approach for a small group. At a birthday party years ago for a 12-14 age group I had each parent pay $5.00
to cover the cost of a small magic set from E-Z. Each contained six simple/beginner tricks. I performed two of them during my show without their knowing I had the kits to pass out later. They were all excited to get the magic sets - and more excited to learn that these tricks could actually be performed in a show. Out of the eight girls, two of them later contacted me to see if they could learn more. When I asked which of the tricks they had mastered I never heard form them again. I have no doubt some learned a couple of tricks to amuse their friends. To me that is NOT "being interested in magic."
"the more one pretends at magic, the more awe and wonder will be found in real life." Arnold Furst
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Dick Oslund Inner circle 8357 Posts
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I agree Ken. The situation you have described is too often the case.
These "magicians" who want to expose the methods of "commercial' tricks to "curiosity seekers", are doing just that: EXPOSING. (e.g.,see Mr. Chamberlain's post above.) THEY ARE NOT HELPING MAGIC, OR THOSE SEEKERS who are only motivated by "secrets:. I have years of experience, mentoring teens. Many are now successful professionals. Some are avid amateurs. It was made clear to all of them at early meetings, that I could merely help them learn. Learning is an active process, not a passive one. We had discussions, but, I merely recommended books by well qualified magicians, and, we discussed what they had learned. I only mentored those who showed themselves SERIOUS.
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Rocky Elite user 486 Posts
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I think the exception should be for Gospel Magic. The student of gospel related magic has devoted their life to our Savior Jesus Christ and is seeking a way to deliver His message through magic. Also, should they be deemed "not serious" through their mentor/teacher, the secrets will be safe due to the morals held by the student. Perhaps it could be recommended to pursue clowning as a way to promote Christianity(?).
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Wx4usa Regular user 198 Posts
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Reminds me of when the kids were little and taking TaeKwonDo. People would come in and want to know the 'Secrets' in their FREE intro lesson. Show me how to break a board or knock someone out. The idea was, sign up, pay for lessons, make a commitment, start where everyone starts, learn the basics, master the basics and advance...over time. Planned, proactive and intentional. Same with learning magic, I think.
Ken's example above with the magic kits validated the kiddos commitment or lack thereof. Same idea applied in a magic shop where I grew up. The owner knew the basic 'tricks' and what I could (successfully) handle. Those he showed me and sold me. He would show other effects but not necessarily sell them to me because I wasn't ready. He'd say, show me this trick and how you do it. If I did it well, I might get to buy this one or that one. If I blew it, I wouldn't. He knew success in this effect meant I would be OK with that one...I know now that he was right. He said, I'd just be frustrated with that one until I learned this one..... At the core of it all I think is striking a balance between protecting secrets, validating commitment and setting the student up for success whatever the age happens to be....kids or adults. And realizing there are those that just want to buy stuff to discover secrets, try it a few times, impress friends and throw it in a box. And Dick's ideas on mentoring above are good ones. |
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Dollarbill Inner circle Colorado 1005 Posts
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On Feb 8, 2019, Wx4usa wrote: Nailed It! Nailed It! Nailed it! (although my teacher would have sold me anything and did sumtimes, but taught me a lot and steered me towards books). I miss that guy! I like your analogy using martial arts.....that's perfect.👍👍👈 You must put in the work Grass Hoppa! 🤘 |
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Wx4usa Regular user 198 Posts
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Thanks DollarBill. Mister Miyagi said, "Wax on, Wax off....Nice finish on Miyagi car validates desire to learn Daniel san."
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kinesis Inner circle Scotland, surrounded by 2708 Posts
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The session was on Friday 8th Feb
I had a class of 5 eager 15 yr old boys for 2 hrs We had a lovely time chatting, sharing and learning, they appear to have had a really positive time. I got great feedback from the school. Thanks for all of the advice but I didn't take any of it and I just did my thing. |
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Wx4usa Regular user 198 Posts
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On Feb 10, 2019, kinesis wrote: I’m so glad it went well. That’s awesome. Thanks for sharing the outcome with us! |
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imgic Inner circle Moved back to Midwest to see 1339 Posts
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On Feb 10, 2019, kinesis wrote: Great to hear. You can't find out if somebody is "serious" or wants more until they try it. Good for you!
"Imagination is more important than knowledge."
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Rocky Elite user 486 Posts
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Boy, is Dick going to be disappointed!
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davidpaul$ Inner circle Georgetown, South Carolina 3094 Posts
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On Feb 10, 2019, kinesis wrote: Just wondering in your time together with the 5 eager boys if you taught them to respect our art and to respect other performers. I have encountered some teens, with some knowledge, that found it necessary to blurt out some card moves to their buddies in the middle of my performance. No respect or decorum. Glad you had a positive experience but it was all for not "IF" RESPECT and COURTEOUS behaviour was not at the forefront of your class. I hope so.
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HeronsHorse Loyal user Scotland 207 Posts
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On Feb 6, 2019, Rocky wrote: Really? I'd guess from his sarcasm directed at Dick there, that he probably meant to just poke at Dick, yet again, as I keep seeing intolerable morons doing on this site. Whatever happened to consideration I don't know. Where I come from we have respect for the elders, especially when those folk are trying to pass on knowledge. I see it so often around here, sorry but I'm getting tired of it. I'd say my apologies if I'm wrong in this case but it seems pretty clear. Rocky jumped on Dick right away. Pathetic. It is against my better judgement to even comment, because the people who behave this way will then direct the same at me and that's not a game I'm playing. So um yeah, I'll close this thread now. *poof! I'm gone
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Those who think that magic consists of doing tricks are strangers to magic. Tricks are only the crude residue from which the lifeblood of magic has been drained." - S.H. Sharpe |
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Kaliix Inner circle Connecticut 1990 Posts
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Dick did nothing but crap all over the original posters idea in like four different posts. One post was enough to register his disapproval. Multiple negative posts with no real suggestions forthcoming were unnecessary. One little post saying that Dick might be disappointed (likely said tongue in cheek) was NOT the work of intolerable morons. Dick had it coming and he doesn't need you to defend him. Of all the ridiculous posts on the Café to choose from...
Quote: On Feb 11, 2019, HeronsHorse wrote:
The greatest obstacle to discovery is not ignorance; it is the illusion of knowledge.
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Rocky Elite user 486 Posts
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All of my posts were done tongue in cheek...My apologies if they were offensive. I should have said in my first response that the advice given by Dick was not what I had expected.
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imgic Inner circle Moved back to Midwest to see 1339 Posts
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On Feb 10, 2019, davidpaul$ wrote: Respect is learned well before a two hour class. Family, friends, school, environment all instill a sense of respect in a person. Whether it’s respect for the protocols of Magic, then tenets of scouting, or the discipline of athletics... Bottom line is He spent a couple of hours teaching some kids somethings...he had fun, they had fun...it may lead to something more, or it may not. But bravo to Kinesis for teaching.
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davidpaul$ Inner circle Georgetown, South Carolina 3094 Posts
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On Feb 13, 2019, imgic wrote: True in a perfect world...Do you get out much? It's ALWAYS important to stress respect, decorum and courtesy. If your statement was true why so much disrespect in our world? There would be no need for LifeLock. 
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imgic Inner circle Moved back to Midwest to see 1339 Posts
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On Feb 13, 2019, davidpaul$ wrote: Yes, respect, decorum, and courtesy should always be stressed. Such as sliding in a little jab about me getting out...
"Imagination is more important than knowledge."
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davidpaul$ Inner circle Georgetown, South Carolina 3094 Posts
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It was a joke. Did you notice the laughing imoji?
Guilt will betray you before technique betrays you!
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