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Roberto Juan New user Sacramento, California 45 Posts |
I have The Double Lift Project DVD by Big Blind Media which is pretty good.
The Extremely Ambitious DVD by Jay Sankey reveals his take on the topic (3 different skill levels) Daryl's Ambitious Card DVD has some various ideas and demonstrations of this also. |
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magicwiia Regular user 120 Posts |
I found the video by Jason England to be very informative. You could see exactly what he did and he presented several nuances. His style was excellent and he has a good manner about teaching. I would highly recommend.
How would the Double Lift Project be compared to Jason England's video? Does it show close up manipulation? One issue I've found with videos from the classic instructors of our time is that they are in very low resolution. I know of a number of classic videos in a resolution so low that I've decided not to buy them. Is the DL Project higher resolution or was it produced at a time of fuzzy videos? |
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Mr Pink Regular user 120 Posts |
Hey.
The DL Project is produced by Big Blind Media and was released in 2014 (I think). The quality of their DVD's is excellent so their will be no resolution issues. Glad you got on well with Jason England. His Theory 11 instruction videos (at least the ones I have) are excellent. |
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magicwiia Regular user 120 Posts |
I've watched the Jason England DL video many times now and have practiced a lot. As I watch him, I don't see the bottom card edge at all as he completes the initial flip. When I flip them over, I see the edge. Sometimes less than other times. As England flips it over initially, he subtlely, but quickly, squares the deck which I'm not doing. The two cards look to be together until they hit the deck below then separate ever so slightly.
England shows the Vernon "flex". When I mimic that, the cards tend to stay together better than not doing so. I'm not a fan of it as it doesn't look natural to me. What does look very natural to me is when I watch Lance Pierce do a double lift. He is smooth as glass and his approach deliberate. It's taught me to slow up as I slide and flip the cards. Any thoughts about keeping those two cards together as they are flipped over for the first time? |
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HeronsHorse Loyal user Scotland 207 Posts |
Patience and repetition?
And...TIME! You need to put the hours in. There's no great secret other than that. I watched as many double lifts as I could then got to work on trying them all until settling on the one I liked and felt was most normal looking. I practice it every single morning and night and often in the day too. It gets better. That's it. There's nothing anyone can tell you that'll make you able to do what Jason England does, except your own dedication. It's all there in the video.! Keep doing it as often as possible.
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Those who think that magic consists of doing tricks are strangers to magic. Tricks are only the crude residue from which the lifeblood of magic has been drained." - S.H. Sharpe |
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TeddyBoy Special user New York, NY 595 Posts |
Thanks to a member here, Bob G, I have come across what, so far, is the best book for teaching the double lift (as well as the Elmsley Count) that I have found. It is called BASIC TRAINING by Ian Kendall.
The entire book is available as an ebook download at lybrary.com for $25. HOWEVER, as a FREE downloaded excerpt you can get Lesson 2 -The Double Lift. With step-by-step precision Ian explains how to perform the double lift without using the right thumb to pick up two cards and holding a break. I would urge you to consider this free download. I got the entire book and what I have seen so far is truly among the best, if not best, written teaching of various sleights - mainly cards but some coins as well. Just FYI, I have read Royal Road to Card Magic and am now in volume 3 of Card College. In my opinion, Ian's step-by-step approach is superior in its teaching method to these other classics; however his book as a whole does not substantively cover the same scope of material that a newbie to card magic should have. Yet I believe that experiencing his approach is valuable in learning how to break sleights down to smaller steps so as to methodically observe how a given sleight is performed. Give it a shot. After all, Lesson 2 is FREE!
So many sleights...so little time.
"Slow...deliberate...natural." Bill Tarr Cheers, Teddy |
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HeronsHorse Loyal user Scotland 207 Posts |
I forgot to throw this link in.... a free study of double lifts by Al Schneider!
Complete with video clips to acvompany the text...,sort of like an online ebook for free. Brilliant imho. http://www.worldmagiccenter.com/MAGIC2/d......aaab.htm
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Those who think that magic consists of doing tricks are strangers to magic. Tricks are only the crude residue from which the lifeblood of magic has been drained." - S.H. Sharpe |
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Mr Pink Regular user 120 Posts |
I'll be getting a good read at that. Thanks for posting it.
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HeronsHorse Loyal user Scotland 207 Posts |
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On Feb 25, 2019, Mr Pink wrote: Read every bit of it! It really is a study and I learned a lot from it. I had to 'right click/save as...' for each video, then I played them back in VLC (or Xplayer on my tablet/phone) so that I could watch each one at the right page, which is essential. Hopefully that helps you if you get any problems. ;-) PS. Check the rest of the free online ebooks there, it's good!
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Those who think that magic consists of doing tricks are strangers to magic. Tricks are only the crude residue from which the lifeblood of magic has been drained." - S.H. Sharpe |
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Mr Pink Regular user 120 Posts |
Will do. Thanks for the tips.
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countrymaven Inner circle 1426 Posts |
TMI in my opinion. Get Card College. Learn the pinky break first. Then learn the double lift. It does not have to be
the hard version that only works part of the time with a new deck. |
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HeronsHorse Loyal user Scotland 207 Posts |
What exactly did you find was too much information?
You could always, you know, limit your intake of information... Were you referring to the site I posted, or some other information? Just watching someone's study does not force you to try every one, or any at all. It is to learn and understand the complexities of the move, if you so wish. If you so wish. PS. Recommending the pinky break first is ridiculous. Most beginners just cannot do it, for ages. It is a difficult thing, which takes time to build strength in the muscles of the hand before it's possible to do properly. There are many much easier get-readys than that. Or, doubles that require none! I'd recommend listening to Al Schneider before someone who recommends such a thing.
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Those who think that magic consists of doing tricks are strangers to magic. Tricks are only the crude residue from which the lifeblood of magic has been drained." - S.H. Sharpe |
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countrymaven Inner circle 1426 Posts |
Card College teaches it well. If the pinky break is difficult or 'ridiculous' then you have had the wrong teacher.
Giobbi does his job well. There is not way a beginner could not learn a pinky break well with CC. There is a reason why Card College is the standard formal introduction to card magic, and the best seller of that category as well. |
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Harry Lorayne 1926 - 2023 New York City 8558 Posts |
Many have told me over years - no decades - that one of the many things they learned from CLOSE-UP CARD MAGIC (1962) was a double lift method --- not that I was spe4cifically teaching that item. Oh, and countrymaven, how do you know which book is a best seller? I don't recall you checking my "sales" over the decades, with me.
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TeddyBoy Special user New York, NY 595 Posts |
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On Feb 25, 2019, countrymaven wrote: I think HeronsHorse may have thought you meant doing a pinky-count as a means of getting the pinky break. I gave up on the pinky count when I still had hair. But Prof Giobbi teaches a method of using-the-thumb for the get-ready to insert the pinky into the break. So I think you are both correct given each of your specific contexts. Of course I still go with Ian Kendall in this instance. I have not encountered anyone in print breaking down moves so succinctly. Luckily, there is often more than one way to get "there."
So many sleights...so little time.
"Slow...deliberate...natural." Bill Tarr Cheers, Teddy |
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Harry Lorayne 1926 - 2023 New York City 8558 Posts |
In the 85 years that I've been doing close up card magic - I have NEVER done/used a pinky break - to prepare for a DL or for anything else. Not dependable for me.
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Neil Skinner New user 1 Post |
I learned my double turnover (maybe a better, more literal name) from an old tape by Richard Kaufman - lifting the cards with my forefinger, turning them and letting them fall. The "letting them fall" is the single best piece of advice I have seen about the double turnover / lift.
I believe this is widely accredited to Dai Vernon? By bevelling the cards eve so slightly as you do so you also solve your phase 2 problem as you make them easier to pick up with the base of your thumb and display. As for the pinky break... I think the words of one of the greats of modern magic are enough to go by! There really is no need. Quote:
On Feb 25, 2019, Harry Lorayne wrote: The double is in my view the single most important / useful tool in all of card magic... it's worth practicing hard. Good luck with it! |
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Rupert Pupkin Inner circle 1452 Posts |
Don't worry, Harry, I don't think anyone would accuse you of using something as subtle as a pinky break
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Bobby Forbes Inner circle virginia beach, VA. 1569 Posts |
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On Feb 25, 2019, Harry Lorayne wrote: Harry, are you talking about a pinky "count" or a "break"? I cant imagine how holding a pinky break to execute a double is not dependable. There is nothing easier than holding your pinky under two cards, reaching into the gap and grabbing both cards and turning them over. that's about as dependable as it gets. |
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Harry Lorayne 1926 - 2023 New York City 8558 Posts |
You're right, Bobby, I had a "count" in mind. Of course, I occasionally hold a pinky break, but the way I get to it for a DL is to simply spread in an indicatory way as I patter, and catch the pinky break under the top two cards as I square. Again, it's a pinky count that I find undependable.
Hey Pupkin: Nowhere near as subtle as your remark. Who in the world can possibly be as subtle as you!?! And, now that I've said that I do use a pinky break (for more "things" than a DL) and that it was a pinky COUNT that I had in mind - we will all breathlessly await YOUR next always-so-subtle/knowledgeable/extremely-important-to-the-topic remark.
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