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HenryleTregetour Regular user 184 Posts |
Hi all,
Is anyone familiar with Luca Pacioli's Ring and Rope Trick? Essentially someone holds a doubled rope tied at the ends. Through a complex series of weavings the ring is suddenly found to be off the rope. It dates from ca. 1500 so it may be called something else now. I was wanting to learn how to do this, and was hoping to find detailed illustrations in some source. Thanks, HLT |
HenryleTregetour Regular user 184 Posts |
There is an illustration of it here: https://archive.bridgesmathart.org/2011/bridges2011-351.pdf
Thanks, HLT |
federico luduena Loyal user Spain 248 Posts |
Thanks for this lead. Here's a good resource I found:
http://repositorio.ul.pt/bitstream/10451......irth.pdf Some of the topological puzzles were popularized by Martin Gardner in his Scientific American column, but I don't remember credit to Pacioli. |
HenryleTregetour Regular user 184 Posts |
Thanks.
Unfortunately I have already seen this document, which is essentially an item by item description of mathematical puzzles, secrets of "natural magick," and other things. This includes a large number of mathematical and other magic tricks. Unfortunately, it is not a translation of the original work (one was done but not published by Lori Pieper in 2007 and is held at the Conjuring Arts Research Center). A problem with this document is that all of the mathematical magic tricks are written for mathematicians, ie. complex algebraic equations which are difficult to translate (I have managed to work out a handful of them--there are like 46). In fact, Prevost's Cleaver and Pleasant Inventions (ca. 1580) includes several mathematical and other magic tricks that were apparently drawn from Palioci. I am certain I have seen an explanation somewhere before. It was not in Wilson nor the Fulves book on rope magic. Maybe it's in Tarbell. Thanks again; I really appreciate it. HLT |
HenryleTregetour Regular user 184 Posts |
One other thing--Prevost includes a trick which I think is in fact the Palioci rope and ring trick. The directions on how to do the trick did not make much sense until I saw the illustration in https://archive.bridgesmathart.org/2011/bridges2011-351.pdf.
HLT |
HenryleTregetour Regular user 184 Posts |
Federico,
I just put in an order for two of the martin Gardner books. The longer one (297 pages), I think, is a collection of his Scientific American column. Thanks for the heads up, HLT |
funsway Inner circle old things in new ways - new things in old ways 9982 Posts |
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On Feb 14, 2019, HenryleTregetour wrote: It looks like that book has a complete explanation of method. I have seen it explained in many other books also, and may be in Tarbell.
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HenryleTregetour Regular user 184 Posts |
Thanks Funsway,
I looked in Tarbell and didn't find it. However, I just blew up the pictures in Blasco's article (archive.bridgesmathart) and I think I understand what is going on. The basic modus operandi is what I thought, although working out the exact move will be a small adventure. I am almost 100% certain I have seen it before (I haven't looked at Gardner before). HLT |
John Long Inner circle New Jersey 2826 Posts |
I didn't know anything about Luca Pacioli or his ring and rope.. but after looking at one of the PDFs, I immediately recognized this. It is a favorite of mine, and gets wonderful reactions. Yes, I've seen this in a number of places; most notably "Magic for Dummies"! (p85). I justified all the maneuvering with a story line. (One mother's response to my doing this for her child was, "You HAVE to tell me how you did that!", and she kept saying that.)
It is also in 110 amazing magictricks w/objects; Marvin Berglas (a free download) Magic for non Magicians; Sherrie Lewis & Ab Hurwitz p20 The Ultimate Book of Card & Magic Tricks; Bob Longe; p363 And, what looks like a variant method The Real Book about Magic; Leming; p94 FWIW: I don't think it is in Tarbell John
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federico luduena Loyal user Spain 248 Posts |
Thanks for those references, John.
For a Martin Gardner file: "A Loop of String", in The Unexpected Hanging. The one John mentions is there too. "Recreational Topology", in The Second Book of Mathematical Puzzles and Diversion, p82, contains a wonderful puzzle found in Pacioli. These are the ones I recall form the top of my head. If anthropology is correct and string figures are indeed ancient and widespread, these tricks might come from the dawn of cultures. |
HenryleTregetour Regular user 184 Posts |
Thank you, John.
I think I have figured it out on my own, but I will definitely give your sources a look. HLT |
HenryleTregetour Regular user 184 Posts |
Yes, I looked in Tarbell and it wasn't there, nor in Fulves or Wilson.
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HenryleTregetour Regular user 184 Posts |
Well I had a chance to look at the Berglas and Gardner variations.
Berglas had easy to follow diagrams. Unfortunately the way the trick is executed I think someone who was observant could easily see how the trick was done. As for Gardner, he includes only one drawing with a textual explanation. Being someone who is more visual (requires less thinking!), I was a little disappointed. However, the text is not overly ambiguous, and with a little effort I managed to do it. The biggest strength of Gardner's version is the trick has built in misdirection, making the method difficult to discover for the observer. And it's fun! HLT |
HenryleTregetour Regular user 184 Posts |
One other thing--Gardner includes a variation by which the magician removes the middle of three rings!
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John Long Inner circle New Jersey 2826 Posts |
Henry
What work of Gardner is this in, and or its name thanks; John
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HenryleTregetour Regular user 184 Posts |
Hi John,
As Federico indicated, it is in Martin Gardner, "A Loop of String", in The Unexpected Hanging. Amazon has it, but it is also online as a pdf file: https://bobson.ludost.net/copycrime/mgardner/gardner04.pdf One this to note is that "A Loop of String" is an essay containing an explanation of several things that can be done with a string; the trick itself is described on pp. 200-201, including the one with three rings. Like I said, it has a much better misdirection that the one in 101 tricks. Have fun, Henry |
John Long Inner circle New Jersey 2826 Posts |
Thanks; I was not familiar with this (or even its name). I'll take a look.
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funsway Inner circle old things in new ways - new things in old ways 9982 Posts |
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federico luduena Loyal user Spain 248 Posts |
Thanks for all the info, Henry. I had missed the three ring feat entirely. You are right re: lack of illustrations. They do help a lot in learning magic.
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