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I was told that when Steve's book comes out people are going to forget about Erdnase.
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Is it just me or does anyone else feel the less attention this book gets the better it is for the gambling community? I am no expert when it comes to the actual card handling or knowledge of gambling sleights but from what I've seen and heard of Steve Forte, the less commercial promotion this book gets, the better its value would be. I hope the high price shuns off a lot of the bandwagon...
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Is it just me or does anyone else feel the less attention this book gets the better it is for the gambling community?


I have not seen the book and have zero knowledge of its actual contents so I am speculating here. However, I do have a lot of knowledge about actual gambling ploys that have been used and are being used, both in professional poker and other casino card games and my guess would be that Forte's book and its revelations would have little or no effect on the gambling community.

I would speculate that the book is designed for the magician, demonstrator and "gambling expert" genre. Yes, Forte is a very skillful and a knowledgeable manipulator of playing cards, and many of the things he does are very clever and no doubt "new" to most if not all who may buy his book. How practical much of this material would be in today's professional gaming world environment may be moot.

As far as professional hustlers go, 99% of these guys would probably not even be aware of Forte's book nor would they have a great interest in buying it. They do what they do and if they are successful in professional poker and/or casino game hustling, I would guess that Forte's book would have little to offer them. Most of the old and venerable "gambling" type moves are passe in today's professional gambling environment, regardless of how many variations, twists and innovations one comes up with.

However, for the magician, hobbyist, student, demonstrator and the like, I am sure Forte's book will offer a "candy shop" treasure trove of dazzling moves, methods and ideas - enough to delight any "move junkie" for quite some time. However, how practical much of this would be to hustlers might be quite questionable.

But of course, without seeing the book I can't give more than a "speculative" commentary. But generally speaking, gambling type "moves" in today's professional world of gambling are primarily for magicians and the like, not for successful high-end hustlers.
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If hard core gambling is your thing, then you'll already own Forte's two big books - Casino Game Protection and Poker Protection (maybe even Read the Dealer if you're a completist).
I'd anticipate this pending release is intended more for the fan of card handing undertaken primarily to entertain oneself, and for the entertainment of others.

Invariably there will be an abundance of contents of the new book that were previously unknown to a wide variety of readers, although this has little to do with hard core gambling, and everything to do with the fact that SF is a master of the craft, and in personal possession of far, far more interesting and entertaining "moves" than any of his potential readers.
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For those who might be interested in getting some info on what hardcore gambling is, here is a nice article explaining same:

https://www.gamblingsites.org/blog/ten-t......rs-dont/

Sorry guy, no moves here. Smile
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Wait, is the rule 7 Practice? Must be a fake article.
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@Cagliostro - Sorry I may not have come across clearly enough. When I referred to the "gambling community", I wasn't entirely referring to professional hustlers. My inclination was more towards the people from this forum who have a much greater affiliation towards gambling sleights and demonstrations.

Or, or, maybe its just my wish to be a part of a relatively exclusive club of people who can potentially get their hands on this book! haha

On a more serious note, and like you rightly mentioned, this is clearly speculation but I would like to believe that a lot of the routines/techniques that will be published in this book are slightly more advanced and caters to an audience for whom the sleights go beyond using it for "magic" purposes (whom I believe are a majority of the people).

It's a bit hard for me to explain but I hope you understand where I'm coming from.
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Wait, is the rule 7 Practice? Must be a fake article.


Yup. You are absolutely correct. The concept of practicing to improve one's game is not realistic. Practice is onerous and time consuming. Practicing to improve one performance or technique is obviously ridiculous.

Glad you picked up on that and of course as you suggest it makes the entire article bogus.
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To clarify, this book is 99.9% “fun stuff.”

It’s Steve’s assemblage of 40 years of gambling techniques that others have shared with him or that he’s created himself packaged in such a way to be of interest to mainly a magician audience. The techniques are certainly real and in most cases came from the gambling tables. But the context is directed towards having a good time not cheating scenarios.

Jason

PS: That 0.01% comes from the fact that sometimes it’s necessary to describe a cheating scenario to make a larger point about a move or technique.
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We have won a bit at side games like Kalooki using fun stuff. In such games, the hardest part is not the move but rather the hustling: finding the right customer and luring him to play and so on. Do you fellows play Gin?
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When does the restricted 48 hour pre-sale available only to Gambling Spot regulars begin Jason? Smile
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When does the restricted 48 hour pre-sale available only to Gambling Spot regulars begin Jason? Smile


...and does it include a 50% discount? Smile
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After about 2 years of tryng to registrate myself I'm finally here.. I follow this thread without possibilty to respond it..
Finally today I can say that I was waiting for Steve and Jason material for time.
I feel so lucky to live in a moment where they work togheter for a single Project.
Thank you very much both of you. I'm gonna instabuy this book when it' comes.
Sorry for my bad english.
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Jason, a few questions . Do you have update on progress of the books? When will the web site be up? Will preorders be taken at that time ? Lastly do you think books will be sent out by years end. Thanks
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When does the restricted 48 hour pre-sale available only to Gambling Spot regulars begin Jason? Smile


...and does it include a 50% discount? Smile


For you he will double the price and then give you a 50% discount Smile
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When this new book comes out, how old will it be?
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On Oct 31, 2019, Mr. Bones wrote:
When does the restricted 48 hour pre-sale available only to Gambling Spot regulars begin Jason? Smile


...and does it include a 50% discount? Smile


For you he will double the price and then give you a 50% discount Smile



LOL that's a smart businessman
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Even at a 1500 copy print edition, I believe this will sell out very quickly. Within a month. Bets?
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...is there talk of it going for that price....?
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