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It's a pretty standard levitation in stage shows. He did it very well, but it was nothing new.

I made another post about this and I'm glad to find there are people here that agree with me. It was a pretty lame choice for a card effect. I personally just don't like how corny it is, but it also is just a sad choice when you have the attention of the nation. Maybe it's just what he was comfortable with though.

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It isn't that hard of an effect to solve...And I think that is why the wife did it. Plus, through experience in my methods, she probably figured it out.

My point is...it could be the most advanced and mysterious technique ever....but it is still just a STUPID trick.
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The Oscar trick is one of the only card tricks I do and I have never failed to absolutely kill with it.
I feel that it is far stronger than the invisible deck as well ands if I had to choose between the two Oscar would win evertime. If I had a single trick to perform on Television again Oscar would most like be what I would choose
Just because someone doesn't like it doesn't make it a bad trick.
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I just read a description of the Oscar trick online. If the effect is what I read, I would say it's one heck of a miracle.
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Heck, even the invisible deck would have been ten times better than that



Actually Lance made a VERY good decision. HOW many magic shops are there in Vegas?

HOW many people do you think that deck is pitched too while they are in the area? I bet you a TON.

I think Lance weighed the options and went with Phil for a good reason.


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I don't know for sure about Phil being a good idea, but I completely agree with not using the invisible deck.
Another reason is that how many people do you think would say "oh, David Blaine did that."
I would of hated that.
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I've been thinking about the tricks mentioned, and if it isn't too tangential, how about deconstructing the Oscar effect (not methodology) a bit.

Essential Oscar and the invisible deck are the same effects. Spectator names a card and that card is seen to be altered. (Or spectator names one card which was previously identified be being altered). In the case of Oscar, the alteration is in the writing. In the Invsible Deck (well, ultra mental deck, to be correct) the card is seen to be reversed. It would seem to me that the writing would be a greater puzzler than a reversal, which could be more readily accomplished in the spectator's mind via some sort of sleight of hand.

So it seems to me, that phenomenologically, Oscar would be the more deceptive trick from a spectator rationalization point of view. (Likewise, Brainwave would be a greater puzzler as not only is the card reversed, but it came from an entirely different pack).

As to the corny-ness of it all, I know many audience members find the notion of handling "invisible cards" to be insulting and stupid. Now, when Don Alan performed it, he could make it fly.

I think, in thr right performer's hands, the notion of names on cards could be quite charming. Marlo had a handling of this effect which was both charming and funny. But I can't see how named cards are corny, but asking a spectator to believe in invisible cards isn't.

Thoughts?
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Is the Oscar trick the same as Erma la Force on the Close video? If it is...I really love the trick BUT it's not practical for the walkaround performer.
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I get the decided impression that some posters on this thread assume that Lance selects tricks based on what magicians and want-to-be’s would find impressive.

That would be an odd way for him to select a trick to do on late night TV. Some must think he is a sucsessful professional magician by chance, just a fluke. He probably has a hard time finding work.

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I wonder if this effect can be adapted for a card named "Jill?"



Actually Marlo has a variation where the trick is done with female names, buried away in some of his later work.....

I heard he also experimented doing it with pet names, but never performed it.... You can find it in his later work too though.
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Phil is a great trick I dare say the words, "To a lay audience it is a jaw dropper" and since The Tonight show caters to everyone around the world not just magicians I feel the the effect was strong and probably made a handful of magicians want to go out and buy it. My two cents worth Chris
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I thought the performance was good. I mean, Lance Burton has a lot of experience as a performer and I would never knock his sleight of hand (his dove act is superb). Anyway, just my 2.
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On 2004-05-12 16:47, truthteller wrote:
The "Phil trick" is a version of the classic "Oscar" effect. "Phil" however uses a different method.


I learned this trick from Don Alan roughly 40 years ago. Don Alan called it "Clyde" and, if I am not mistaken, he performed it on the Tonight Show sometime in the 1960's.
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Oh COME ON GUYS! Leave the poor guy alone.

He did the best he could with such little time. His levitaiton illustion is superb,and Lance seemes like an extremely likeable person, smiling the whole time and giving Pamela honors. The only thing to critize is that Leno did not give him the time he deserved - he was probably scheduled for more time but The Tonight Show has been notorious for short-timing guests going way back to Johnn Carson who often ran out of time and left a poor guest hanging. Of course if this were on Carson's show he would not have short-timed.

As we all know, it is not the age of the trick or the trick itself, but the presentation - IM(not so HO)Lance did a great job,and I liked him as a person.

So there!
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Sounds like a WHOLE LOT OF SOUR GRAPES on this thread tonight.
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Like Glenn, I had the pleasure of learning "Clyde" from Don Alan, although I don't personally remember seeing him do it on the Carson/Tonight Show. I've gotten a lot of mileage out of the effect over the years. As with most effects, it seems to fit some people's presentation style much better than others. Burton's presentation seemed a bit rushed, and I felt it was a bit weak because of that. But in the right hands it can be a pretty solid effect for laymen.

As for the levitation... I never saw the silicon/helium switch either, and I didn't take my eyes off 'em for a second.

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Richard, I HIGHLY agree with you.

I think Lance did excellent. Everyone needs to remember, he didn't do it for magicians. Whine all you guys want, he did a great job.

Of course I might seem a bit biased, Lance has been my favorite magician since I was little.


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On 2004-05-12 20:10, Wellington wrote:
I get the decided impression that some posters on this thread assume that Lance selects tricks based on what magicians and want-to-be’s would find impressive.




Absolutely correct. Almost 12,000 members here and at least 11,500 of them think fooling magicians is what it's all about!

As for why did Lance pick this trick? Well, it was good, he did it well, it worked and, probably more importantly, it was quick.

Is it a better trick than ID? I don't think so, but I am a big ID fan. ID doesn't work well in the setting he was in. And it is too long.

Did I figure the effect out? Well, I figured out one way to do it. I don't know if it was the way that Lance did it, but it works for me (with a little more practice).
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If I'm not mistaken, Don performed "Clyde" on the Mike Douglas show.

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I could not figure it out, but then again, I'm not a smart man.
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