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prospero Special user Elsewhere 572 Posts |
I haven't seen a thread on this topic, and boy, have I been having trouble, so here goes.
Whenever I do a multiple shift under the guise of a Hindu Shuffle, someone always thinks I'm bringing them to the top by taking them out one by one--I personally thing it is unnatural to shuffle while the aces are still sticking out. What shifts/methods do you use to bring the aces to the top? |
NeoMagic Inner circle I have... 2017 Posts |
The original method (devised by Vernon) was to simply cut the selections to the top or bottom without the need for a Hindu Shuffle. See Marlo's Revolutionary Card Technique and Buckley's Card Control. I've seen it done this way - without the Shuffle - and it works beautifully (I'm still trying to get to grips with it).
See also this thread.
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Hideo Kato Inner circle Tokyo 5649 Posts |
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On 2004-05-12 00:53, prospero wrote: Yes, it is unnatural to shuffle with the Aces sticking out. If you act to push in the Aces and then you start the shuffle, it is not unnatural. Hideo Kato |
lonewolf New user 30 Posts |
I think for me one of the most important thing for multiple shift is casualness and conviction.
Its a very casual thing to let the top cards cover the aces with a shake, then carry on shuffling as I talk to the audience. I then usually throw in a couple of false cuts after that. |
JordanB Special user dallas, tx 626 Posts |
I use a swing cut multiple shift, the Vernon multiple shift always felt strange to me, so I never gave it the practice needed to....but maybe I ought to.
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vinsmagic Eternal Order sleeping with the fishes... 10957 Posts |
Steve Youell teaches the Cardini multiple shift stripout that is followed by a overhand false shuffle. This is on his Cardguy Compendium..
This is very effective and works in the real world. I have seen Steve perform this many times. vinny |
S.Segal Special user San Diego 949 Posts |
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On 2004-05-12 08:13, JordanB wrote: Not sure if this is what Jordan is talking about but, the "Elias Multiple Shift" (from Classic Magic of Larry Jennings) is great. The look of the shift is that 4 cards are pushed into 4 different places. The deck is then given a cut (swing cut) and all 4 cards are on top of the deck.... S.Segal |
Lonnie Dilan Special user Canyon Country, California 823 Posts |
The Elias Multiple Shift is great. Easy to do after a fair amount of practice.
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Seth Special user 566 Posts |
The Elias multiple shift is great, but really most multiple shifts don't really seem to make much sense. Why would you place the cards in different places and then shuffle them?
It's a little redundant... One shift I can think of that doesn't do this is Andrus' panoramic shift, but it's a bit angly... |
S.Segal Special user San Diego 949 Posts |
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On 2004-05-12 15:33, Seth wrote: Its more fun that way! A nice solution to that "problem" would be to have the spec peek their selections and have them side stolen to the desired location. Paul Cummins does this beautifully.... S.Segal |
chiz New user Liverpool, England 94 Posts |
I don't know if it is the Elias Multiple shift since I don't have the book with me, but I use the one taught in Darwin Ortiz's Scams and fantasies with cards. It's very natural looking.
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S.Segal Special user San Diego 949 Posts |
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On 2004-05-12 17:56, chiz wrote: What is the appearance of the shift? S.Segal |
KidMagic87 Regular user 184 Posts |
I'm a fan of Hollingworth's way to palm a card from the center of the deck. It's taught in Drawing Room Deceptions, and it can be applied to multiple cards. It is very natural, because after the cards are pushed into the deck, they are palmed out in the action of squaring the deck. Hard to do and a bit angly, but for the right situation, it's the best I've found.
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vinsmagic Eternal Order sleeping with the fishes... 10957 Posts |
Every time I see a video some magician is always teaching an elmsley count or a double lift etc.....
There are many yong magicians who never heard of the Cardini multiple shift. This site is about getting help or asking questions to improve their magic. Steve is one of the best card technicians and has studied under Paul Chosse, a legend in his own right. vinny |
thecardman Loyal user Scotland 218 Posts |
The best piece of advice I've been given on the Multiple Shift was from Roy Walton one day in his shop. We were talking about most things magic when the topic of Vernon's "Travellers" came about. Roy mentioned that if you do the Multiple Shift with a single cut, as opposed to a Hindu Shuffle, it is more deceiving and disarming to an audience. Some audiences seem to have this notion that if you shuffle the cards you can control them, while if you simply cut them, then the cards must be lost.
Peter :)
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NeoMagic Inner circle I have... 2017 Posts |
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On 2004-05-13 16:32, thecardman wrote: Yes, that's exactly the original method I referred to above. I saw Jerry Sadowitz demonstrate it once and it was particularly "deceiving".
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MagicT Inner circle New Orleans 1248 Posts |
Wow, what a thread. LOL This is a weird thread. The "attack" on Steve was really uncalled for. Especially when he did not attack anyone. If you must "publicly" attack Steven, you must do the same with Michael Ammar, Allan Ackerman, Daryl Martinez, and David Roth, to name a few. They made videos of stuff that was not their own. Yet we are quick to say how good those videos/DVD's are. "Hey, did you see Daryl's Card Revelations DVD's?" "Did you catch David Roth's coin videos?" "Wow, what about them Easy To Master Card/Money Miracles?" "They are just awesome!!!" Oh, and by the way, Herb Zarrow did the same on his video.
But when someone that is not a household name does it, "Man, I can't believe that he/she put that move/trick on their video/cd/DVD. It's not his to put on there." I have heard many magicians rip Ammar for picking the "good stuff" and putting it on video. That is ok if you feel that way, but why must it be on a public forum? Why is it that you need to pick on Steve for something you do not agree on here on the forum. I don't know Steve that well, and I am not for republishing what is already in print. I am also not one to rip someone publicly. Just something for you to think about. Best, Trini
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Paul Sherman Inner circle Arlington, VA 1511 Posts |
Ernest Earick has a wonderful take on the Martin Nash multiple shift in "By Forces Unseen". It's in the first trick, "Claptrap". The aces can be brought to the top with a single riffle shuffle after being cleanly pushed into the deck in 4 separate places (or so it all appears to an audience). It's worth your attention if you do table work.
Paul
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some youtube videos |
lonewolf New user 30 Posts |
I read somewhere (apologies for not being able to quote the source. Will try and find it from my books) that magic, is one of the earliest but unfortunately slowest developing art form.
Other major art forms like dance, drama, art, etc have all busrt into a flurry of creativity and new directions. Magic has not progressed as much. One of the main reasons is the dogmatic approach to guarding secrets and copyrighting moves. I don't know how much is it of a taboo in the professional magic world, to use or teach moves that are not yours. But many resources from well respected magicians often give ample credits to moves that are not theirs, but taught in their videos or books. But I do know that in the hobbyiest world, the non professional world. Work done by Michael Ammar, Roth, Malone, are worth gold. They have not only made miracles possible to the normal hobbyiest magi, they have also, I think, forwarded magic the art, as a whole. This my two cents, Isaac Ho |
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