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gdw Inner circle 4884 Posts 
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Not that I want to get involved with this, but what is a "reasonable standard?" Sounds pretty subjective.
"You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one."
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pegasus Eternal Order United Kingdom 10537 Posts
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On Mar 6, 2019, gdw wrote: To a standard that would fool laymen, but possibly not magi. I’m not expecting miracles but I’d be very interested to see how quickly owners are out and about performing this with confidence. |
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On Mar 6, 2019, gdw wrote: Ok. Watched more of the instructions. I see your point and a lot of times I do not perform with a jacket. And yes, I guess you can say that you do not need a jacket but without the jacket, I feel the other methods you mentioned will not look as natural or flowing. Hm. I will have to play around with it. And Pegasus. Sorry, a few days will not work for me. I am assuming you have been around in magic long enough to know this is not going to work for you. But, fortunately, lol, everyone is not you and things that don't work for you may work for others. I feel this will work, for me, but have to play around with it to be sure.
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gdw Inner circle 4884 Posts
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LOL, NO ONE should be performing an entirely sleight of hand based routine several days after watching the instructions.
You should be practicing for MONTHS before you're ready. Hell, even for NON self working tricks, you should at least put a few weeks of work in before even THINKING about doing it for "real" audiences.
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pegasus Eternal Order United Kingdom 10537 Posts
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The truth is coming out in the wash now. Lol. Months of practice. Knew it. That wasn’t mentioned in the add was it?
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gdw Inner circle 4884 Posts
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I said that was a standard for getting ANY pure sleight of hand based routine audience ready, not specifically Seamless. Any pro will tell you something similar. Again, even for NON sleight of hand effects, if you think it's audience ready after a few days, you're simply not ready.
The copy for Seamless Was clear this was SLEIGHT OF HAND. Shouldn't need to spell out that sleight of hand takes practice. If you thought you could learn it over night and be performing in a few days, well that's just objectively unreasonable expectations.
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RNK Inner circle 7527 Posts
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On Mar 6, 2019, gdw wrote: Those who perform for money understand this gdw. Heck, most logical people who don't perform for money understand this as well. I believe you have been around here long enough and should understand about Pegasus and his posts. Not to say Pegasus sometimes doesn't have some interesting things to conteibute but we all know how he enjoys to stir the pot.
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WitchDocChris Inner circle York, PA 2614 Posts
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I definitely agree with Glen here.
"If you don't love to practice, for God's sake find another hobby." Heck, I've been rehearsing an opening routine for the past month that has zero sleight of hand at all.
Christopher
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gdw Inner circle 4884 Posts
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On a more positive note, here are some thoughts (reviews over on E) from some people who think some practice is more than worth it
100% by Lucas Mar 2019 A FANTASTIC product! One of the best TNR effects on the market, right next to face off. I'd even say you could use them both in the same routine. Though it will take a lot of practice; the effect is worth it due to its tricky and convincing nature. The overall production value and explanation of the download is phenomenal. Along with the details and tips of how to make this effect the best it can be, along with your own; he basically has an entire section on separate tricks that can help lead you into the effect. A fantastic TNR with a beginner crash course in signature duplication, performance tips and ideas, and a very well fleshed out instruction. Highly recommend! 100% by Byron Mar 2019 A clever and deceiving TNR. His teaching is fantastic which is a plus since there are many subtleties and small details used to make this look perfect. Covering the angles is taught throughout as well. Definitely will need a lot of practice since it is just pure sleight of hand. A killer effect for sure! 100% by marco Mar 2019 Wow. I highly recommend it! If you have tried other TNR effects before, it will not be too hard. This will be the one that I will learn and keep. 100% by Chris Mar 2019 Wow! Just got this...and I gotta say, I'm having sooo much FUN messing around with it. To be honest, I've left T&R alone for so long now cuz many just felt repackaged as "new." But this is so FRESH! I'm loving the sleights, nuances, and geez...just the way this looks in the mirror baby! 5 stars...practice makes perfect with this one.
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pegasus Eternal Order United Kingdom 10537 Posts
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Learn Seamless IMMEDIATELY
What does that message imply to the unsuspecting? That’s it’s an instant download, or you’ll learn how to do it immediately? I suspect the latter. I personally think there’s better versions out there, that are more workable, and cheaper. You just gotta look. |
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Ray Haining Inner circle Hot Springs, AR 1907 Posts
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On Mar 6, 2019, WitchDocChris wrote: Well, you have to do it, but you don't have to love it, although many magicians do. |
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gamma105 Regular user City of Evil 150 Posts
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On Mar 6, 2019, RNK wrote: I love the effect, but I'm also hung up on the table/jacket part. |
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RNK Inner circle 7527 Posts
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On Mar 7, 2019, gamma105 wrote: Yes! Hopefully after working with it for a little while we can figure out another way....
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gdw Inner circle 4884 Posts
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On Mar 6, 2019, pegasus wrote: LOL, you knew EXACTLY what it meant on the first page: "Learn Seamless IMMEDIATELY. ie it’s a download." Is your argument that other people aren't as smart as you? That the average magician is too stupid to understand something you understood so clearly and, um, immediately. 
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gdw Inner circle 4884 Posts
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"You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one."
I won't forget you Robert. |
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Terrificize New user 16 Posts
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Just watched the whole thing. I must say that the level of dedication to details is fascinating and will allow any experienced magician to chase for similar results with enough practice.
15 years later this came a long way I'm sure. I've worked on a torn and restored bill, in which the bill is torn in a natural way and got lost in plenty detail and applications. I'll definitely be performing this, though have to wait and see how much practice there is to put in. Just like the Mobius Switch, I love this effect and thank you GDW for your dedication to the art! Sven |
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Ramon M New user 38 Posts
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I bought it, and also like it.
Like similar effects, this is not easy. You're managing different pieces, and there are angles to cover and moves which require some precision. But, I think that this is a version of this effect which can be done more casual then many others. It is because there is a lot of purposeful motion which actually adds to the feel of continuation of the effect on different levels. When done well, it becomes an efficient choreography which can tell the audience, he/ she clearly tore the cards, I heard them ripping, then the pieces somehow melted together and then I got my card back. There is in a way less emphases on every part of the restoration because of that flow, which is a good thing imo. |
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Rizzo Inner circle East Coast 3349 Posts
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This looks amazing in Glens hands. The best I have seen in a very long time
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emyers99 Inner circle Columbus, Ohio 4747 Posts
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The best I’ve seen. So creative and different than every other version. No one will put in the work to master this one but pay the $20 just to see how creative this is and reward Glenn for his unbelievable creativity. Phases 3 and 4 are wild.
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mantel Special user 922 Posts
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On Mar 6, 2019, pegasus wrote: Well it wasnt as bad as Ellusionist's How to do Street Magic Ad Copy Quote:
Order the amazing video that teaches powerful impossible street magic. Perform incredible street tricks the same day. You'll perform your first trick in an hour.... |
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