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adrianrbf
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Practicing the classical force works best with spectators. Smile But what can be done if the classical force does not work? What are outs that you use and recommend?
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Obviously --- control the card.
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On Mar 3, 2019, Harry Lorayne wrote:
Obviously --- control the card.

Well, yes, obviously. Smile

However, there's more than that in my question:

Do you have a certain routine prepared just in case? Maybe even with a setup? Or do you improvise?

And do you try the classical force again later? Or leave it for the moment and try again the next day?
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Steven Keyl has an inexpensive download on Penguin where he goes over a number of outs or ways to ensure the correct card gets turned up called The Three Pillars of Classic Force Recovery.

There is some discussion on this in other threads on the Café which are helpful. A few I bookmarked. There may be more.
http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewt......&forum=2
http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewt......&forum=2
http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewt......&forum=2
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What kind of card tricks can you do that don’t rely on a force? If the force card is not selected, one needs to change their plan. Harry Lorayne does have many books that have things that you can do, it’s just a matter of how to ‘jazz’ the situation using one of those tricks. I have about 3 different go to tricks that I do and it depends on the situation and setting as to what one I use when my cf doesn’t hit.


Another book, available for download through Lybrary.com is Out, Precautions, and Challenges
https://www.lybrary.com/outs-precautions......987.html
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Adrianrbf: "A certain routine"??? Start reading the good stuff, buddy, and you'll have hundreds of effects/routines that you can do with an unknown selection. And without se-ups. You really have to start reading the good stuff!
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Really well said.

I put out a book on many ways to force a card.
On Amazon so people could make comments about the book.
Some guy complained that I did not explain the classic force.
??????
I give a number of ways to force a card and it is a bad book?
I even offered a version that looks like the classic force and has advantages over the classic force.
And there are any number of books on classic forces. ????

And any guy that does a trick that the spec must take the right card is well?????
I must remember that this forum is for people that are learning about all this.
Well, I guess you are teaching them something about magic.

WELL DONE.

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I cannot remember where I saw this but its really clever. If the classic force misses the first time have another card selected and try again. As if you were having 2 cards selected in the first place. If one spectator hits the force then tell them you will find one card the easy way and one the hard way. Just turn over the first spectators card (the missed force) and say Bam! theres your card. That was the easy way (obviously a gag)... then continue your planned routine with the other (force) card.
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The Three Pillars of the Classic Force Recovery : Enjoy

http://www.penguinmagic.com/p/6781
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On Mar 3, 2019, Bobby Forbes wrote:
I cannot remember where I saw this but its really clever. If the classic force misses the first time have another card selected and try again. As if you were having 2 cards selected in the first place. If one spectator hits the force then tell them you will find one card the easy way and one the hard way. Just turn over the first spectators card (the missed force) and say Bam! theres your card. That was the easy way (obviously a gag)... then continue your planned routine with the other (force) card.


This is a brilliant idea of Tom Mullica.
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On Mar 3, 2019, Wravyn wrote:
What kind of card tricks can you do that don’t rely on a force? If the force card is not selected, one needs to change their plan. Harry Lorayne does have many books that have things that you can do, it’s just a matter of how to ‘jazz’ the situation using one of those tricks. I have about 3 different go to tricks that I do and it depends on the situation and setting as to what one I use when my cf doesn’t hit.


Another book, available for download through Lybrary.com is Out, Precautions, and Challenges
https://www.lybrary.com/outs-precautions......987.html

It's also available for real. In real life. The real thing. For cheap.
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I hear that in the PDF version of Outs, Precautions and Challenges the entire text was replaced with the manuscript to Manos, The Hands of Fate.
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Not sure what a PDF is but I'm pretty sure all electronic versions are still just Outs, Precautions, and Challenges.
It's a fun booklet.
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Believe me, I know about the Classic Force! Harry Lorayne has given you AWESOME advice!!!

Respectfully,

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This is a strange question. If you miss a force, EVERY "pick a card" trick in magic is available to perform.
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Kinda' what I was trying to say up above.
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On Mar 4, 2019, Mr Salk wrote:
This is a strange question. If you miss a force, EVERY "pick a card" trick in magic is available to perform.

Yes, I know this. That's why I did not ask what I CAN do in this situation, but what people actually do and recommend from their experience. As far as I understand this forum, this is its main goal: sharing experiences on what works, what does not work, and what works really extraordinarily well.

We all know that a lengthy series of several "pick a card"-tricks is rather boring. Thus, it is important to have effects that all begin the same, but evolve very differently. And some Not-pick-a-card-trick in between.

That having said, there are some interesting contributions in this thread, thanks to everybody.
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Thanks to those that mentioned my Penguin download.

A comment I make in that download is that it isn't always feasible to just "switch to another trick." There may be several reasons for this. One reason might be that you're in the middle of a progressive routine where the card you need is specific and you can't just disregard the choice. Even for one-off tricks this may be the case. In one of my favorite routines, the CF happens at the END of the trick, not at the beginning. The groundwork has already been laid, and there is no way to "get out of it" if the force is missed.

Knowing what to do in any situation was key for me becoming comfortable with the CF. I spent several years refining some of those ideas, which were put into the download.

In the interest of getting this information "out there", anyone that downloads the video and honestly feels the information is not helpful, I'll gladly refund their money, just send me an email at: steven.keyl@keylenterprises.com (I can only refund the amount Penguin is paying me, I can't speak for their share) Although linked earlier, you can get it here: http://www.penguinmagic.com/p/6781
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The answer to this question is very simple. Just use the force card as a key card. Get them to replace the wrongly selected card underneath the force card where you are still holding a break.
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