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Rupert Pupkin
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On May 15, 2019, Mr Salk wrote:
Cull and Classic are not even the same species. I suspect their progeny would be impotent.


Other than the spectator being able to remove the card without delay, a cull force and a classic force have the same outward appearance, no? What sets them so far apart in your mind?
Mr Salk
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On May 15, 2019, Mr Salk wrote:
Cull and Classic are not even the same species. I suspect their progeny would be impotent.


Other than the spectator being able to remove the card without delay, a cull force and a classic force have the same outward appearance, no? What sets them so far apart in your mind?


To me the Pull and the Point are completely different animals.
I think the card a spec "grabs" feels fairer than the one he points at and is shown after some adjusted-movement. That's why they grab so hard..
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I perhaps should not post this. But it is fair, if the argument can be made, as Master Rupert said above, that the classic force and a clean cull force are the same to the spectator. They actually can change their mind about the card as much as they want, within reason, with a cull force.

So if the above can be advanced, as Master Pupkin has asserted, then one "out" to the classic force is to replace it with a super clean cull force. Then you will never need an out.

Again, it must be noted that many who do culls are completely unaware of how sloppy they appear. Not always. But often, if a spectator is observant, they will see a card slip by on the bottom of the deck, or it will be "hanging" out of alignment somewhere. Watch the videos when they are culling if the deck is filmed from the front. You will see some cards floating by under the deck. That must be completely eliminated by good technique. In this all the angles are covered.

Also, I precede this with a clean "spread and choose" once or twice, to show the spectator they get a different card every time. At this point the card is culled in a very clean manner and a portion of the force card is covered in the back in a way I have never seen before. totally natural. This is needed to be sure there is no sloppy "hanging out" of the force card.

As for grabbing the card and handing the group of cards with their card on the bottom, it is really the same to the spectators if it is utterly clean.

So, in summary, it is ok to mention this as a possible "out" to the classic force. This being the only "out" you will ever need. Because they always get the force card in a very clean way.

As for the pull and point, when a spectator pulls a card, it is fair. But it is only good if they get the force card. In this force, you give them a completely free choice of all cards, in their mind. You do not need to control what section they choose from, other than getting started. But this is more fair in this way: even after they decide on a card, they can change their mind. They still will get the force card. But this is not a "point" . You hand them the group of cards they stopped you at immediately with their card facing them. So if you add the freedom of choice in location from the deck, the ability to change their card after they decide, and instantly handing them the block of cards, this force can easily appear to be more fair than the classic force.

I will share this with Café members down below. Within the next couple of months.

I greatly respect those who can do the classic force almost all the time. I have some effects, like a bird sticking their signed card on the outside of a window, outside where the magic is happening. I need to know they will get the force card 100% for this and that it is a very clean method of selection in their mind.
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Also, there can be less delay for them to get their card with the a refined cull force. It is extremely clean.
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On May 15, 2019, Rupert Pupkin wrote:
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On May 15, 2019, Mr Salk wrote:
Cull and Classic are not even the same species. I suspect their progeny would be impotent.


Other than the spectator being able to remove the card without delay, a cull force and a classic force have the same outward appearance, no? What sets them so far apart in your mind?

No. They do not have the same outward appearance.
And a "cull force" encompasses dozens of handlings. All of which look slightly different. Some are fairly similar to the CF, some are far from it.
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I was discussing a refined cull force I worked out. There has never been such a clean cull force before--not that I am aware of. It was created to replace the classic force. Every part of it. I will be sharing it in the next two months. Until then you are commenting on something you have not seen. It has new elements to it. I would appreciate your feedback sincerely at that time.

Also I do appreciate your skill with cards. You are a virtuoso with cards. Harry is proud of you too, and rightly. I am not being sarcastic. Why not appreciate people who are card masters? If you decide to stick with the CF after my video, that is fine. I respect your skill and learning.
But I must make clear, in the next two months, the majority of magicians will give up the CF for my force. It is free I don't need the money.
But that is your choice, as in any force, you have a choice. Just kidding in this last part.
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Amateur: Hey Magician, it hurts when I do the Center Force!
Magician: Stop doing the Center Force.
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