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Dan Watkins Inner circle PA 3028 Posts |
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On 2004-05-14 14:06, Jonathan Townsend wrote: I did not plan on posting in any more VCA threads because as of late they tend to spiral into emotional accusations. I do feel that it should be known that what Jon wrote is correct, he PM'd me this morning asking me to "post that nice list you made VCA routines in print." I happen to be one of the people that Jon freely gave a draft of his routine to. I enjoyed reading it to put in context all of the history behind it, as well to compare the original with the subsequent handlings. In my estimation Kenner's version primarily changed Jon's timing and hand positioning to make it a routine done all at chest level. The timing and look are completely different. What does remain true to Jon's routine is the open nature of the transits - hands do not close over the coins to conceal them for the transits. I think all the subseqent published versions tend to mimic Kenner's "3 Fly" more than Jon's "VCA". Jon's opinion will obviously be that his is the best version. Though from reading here Jon is offering other sources, and calls the one on POS1 quite good. The way I read this thread, Jon is plainly being helpful and offering his choices. I don't think there is anything wrong with Jon expressing his opinions. My opinion if anyone cares, is that Bob Kohler's U3F is the best I have seen for many reasons I have discussed before. |
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Rob Elliott Elite user Reston VA 487 Posts |
Did I say "avoid"? I don't believe so. You can devote all the threads you want to discussing the unresolved issues regarding Jonathan's routine. But when someone says, "Hey, where can I get a good version of such and such...," that should be the topic of discussion.
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Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27297 Posts |
Guess that makes all of us.
It seems my attempt to direct the thread starter to what available materials are closest to my vision, was not so well written. I will work on that too. I like Pete's approach to a VCS (visual copper silver) routine. That is sure easier than using the EG2EG move with both hands. Also, thanks to Dan for posting that list of routines. Dan, any thoughts on posting a sort of lookup table for the VCA on your site? Perhaps with some comment on what makes the routines different (ie gaffed/ungaffed, difficult/med/easy? that kind of thing) ??
...to all the coins I've dropped here
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Chris S Veteran user 393 Posts |
If people think laypeople don't clue in to the fact that a silver coin is changing to a copper coin OF EXACTLY THE SAME SIZE has something to do with the fact that a trick coin is in play, then you are very much mistaken. In the absence of the exquisite routining of routines like Latta's C/S/B in Coin Magic, its a ridiculously thin veneer that covers many copper silver routines that use the C/S gaff. Pete's idea is cute, but it would need to be a pretty dim spectator to not guess the method immediately.
May your moral compass guide you true - South West is where the honourable man fare. Pity those who lose their way...
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Cruise Regular user 175 Posts |
PETEs idea will work if they like you and you don't got to prove nothin to them!
ask harry why he dont want people to know he makes $200 a month for all these ads! thats like $4000 a month! oh but SHHH! harry isnt a real person!
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Chris S Veteran user 393 Posts |
Since when is that an excuse to form patently transparent magic that would be hard-pressed to befuddle a tapeworm? I would rather keep the "likeability" factor seperate from the "sound method" factor.
May your moral compass guide you true - South West is where the honourable man fare. Pity those who lose their way...
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Pete Biro 1933 - 2018 18558 Posts |
Think a minute... after the C/S change you toss both coins to the table or into their hands.
STAY TOONED... @ www.pete-biro.com
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Julie Inner circle 3936 Posts |
Pete,
One last step to satisfy everyone...my routine involved a good (I did not say Fantastic) C/S routine using their hand, winding-up with the two regular coins. At this point many watching probably have begun to suspect at least part of the secret...before they get a chance to handle the (now) ungimmicked coins I do a sleight of hand C/S in MY hands. There's been a time delay between when I did the unbelievable part in THEIR hand and the effect in mine. Now the coins can be handled by the participant and he/she has every reason to believe these are the SAME COINS that changed in his/her hand. |
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Curtis Kam V.I.P. same as you, plus 3 and enough to make 3498 Posts |
Or, after Pete's visual c/s routine, the skeptical tapeworms are surprised when the coins suddenly become four silver dollars.
Thank Fred Kaps for the premise, or get Garrett Thomas to show you his funky fingertip presentation, and thank him. it's very cool, even if you're not working for intestinal parasites.
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Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27297 Posts |
The standard "joke" is to have a clink happen in one hand, then open both to show four chinese coins.
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Pete Biro 1933 - 2018 18558 Posts |
Yes, this all roots back to Kaps' great routine.
STAY TOONED... @ www.pete-biro.com
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Karl Miller Elite user 494 Posts |
Chris Watson: My mistake! I didn't have access to my books when I posted that, and you were right about 3 Fry. I just didn't remember correctly. Thanks!
Dan Watkins: Thank you for that great list! Too bad it was taken down in the first place. Oh well. Thank you for being so generous with your time! -Karl |
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Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27297 Posts |
Any takers for the tabled visual coins across challenge?
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wsduncan Inner circle Seattle, WA 3619 Posts |
Jon,
How would saidi tabled vca differ from the Open Travelers routiens in COINMAGIC or Kennedy's seminal Translocation? |
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Elmsley4 Regular user 101 Posts |
Would you consider Michael Ammar's "Shadow Coins" to be a TABLED VCA?
I love this routine btw... -Joel |
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Cruise Regular user 175 Posts |
If its on a table then its not VCA!
ask harry why he dont want people to know he makes $200 a month for all these ads! thats like $4000 a month! oh but SHHH! harry isnt a real person!
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Jason Wethington Special user Orlando, Fl 615 Posts |
I know we have talked about Sankey's version in 'Sankey Panky' Jon.
I have been working on 'Coins from hand to Mat'. I just haven't met a Matt Iliked enough to give him my coins! Sorry it's late/early... The coins vanish semi-visually one at a time from the hand to re-appear on the table. It is far from complete the problem is varying the direction of attention so as to not seem redundant. Still searching... Jason |
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Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27297 Posts |
What I have in mind is a misdirection based thing,
somewhat like 'Translocation' HOWEVER, one does NOT COVER the coins.
...to all the coins I've dropped here
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Larry Davidson Inner circle Boynton Beach, FL 5270 Posts |
Hmmm, anyone make self-working Explosion coins?
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Mike Wild Inner circle NY, PA, TX, MA, FL, NC 1290 Posts |
I like the Sankey coins to mat routine that Jason mentioned as well. And although Jay does the exact same move 4 times in a row, I never thought it to be redundant. Maybe because of the performance speed he plays at... he doesn't give anyone time to notice the redundancy. He has two routines on the Rev Coin magic, which are coins across type routines, and are very similar. One uses a coin roll and HPC, the other uses that dropping/catching/flying HPC thing that Jay does so well. I do that routine myself, but I alternate between the coin rolls and the Jay thing. When I do the Jay thing, my right arm sweeps in front of me from left to right, displaying the coin and showing that right hand is otherwise empty, before motoring down to the mat to place the coin. Between the broad movements of the right arm, and the alternating method of placing coins on the table, I think the redundancy issue is squelched. Just thinking out load, or in print as it were Jason.
As far as your last post Jon... this thread is called "UNGIMMICKED Visual Coins Across" isn't it Best, Mike |
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