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Darko Dojin Regular user DGAF 163 Posts |
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On 2004-05-18 19:37, ScottJ wrote: Such as doing it lots of times on lots of people then only showing the successes. |
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ScottJ Regular user Hertfordshire, England. 143 Posts |
Heh, I didn't think of that one. I don't really think that's DB's style, though.
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Nikodini Regular user 195 Posts |
LOL... Darko's great!
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nimrod Special user 881 Posts |
Andy,
you are right. |
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Mark Roberts Special user Nottingham, UK 597 Posts |
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On 2004-05-18 19:37, ScottJ wrote: Hi Scott, I noticed that, too However, I don't really think it had anything to do with the method. It would have been difficult to see his hands against his black jacket if he had left his black gloves on. I, therefore, think he was asked to take his gloves off and then the scene was re-shot. There is bound to be this kind of editing on any tv programme. I, along with a few colleagues have come up with several ways of performing this and none of them would require what you suggest above as the modus operandi. |
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Top Hat Inner circle We peed on you! 1077 Posts |
Scott,
Am I right in assuming that "invisible compromise" is a means to "tip" something to a spectator without anyone else realising? If Derren did that when (or just prior to) holding fingers up behind his back, then why did the guesser appear so astonished when he guessed right? Quote:
On 2004-05-16 09:37, looch wrote: It could have been fake snot.
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francisco Loyal user Coolest guy in the café 267 Posts |
Wow! saw this latest episode last night and was very impressed - the voodoo doll and the nail are obvious high points! The thing that popped into my mind after watching this episode was 'stooge'. However, having read several threads on the topic of DB and stooges, I now am inclined to believe that DB is just a very very good hypnotist!
As for the nail, when he was doing the stunt it seemed to be a gimmicked nail, and I almost convinced myself that it was and that he switched it before hammering it into the block of wood, however having read some of the earlier posts in this topic it is apparently not a gimmicked nail, it is real... Would he have had a hole drilled into his nose leading to his mouth? that's the only explaination my mind can think of! -Francisco
'When you steal one trick, they call it plagiarism. When you steal many - they call it research.'
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Darko Dojin Regular user DGAF 163 Posts |
The nail effect is real. It's called 'Blockhead' and it has been around for decades.
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ScottJ Regular user Hertfordshire, England. 143 Posts |
Everyone has a hole drilled from their nose into their mouth. It's called a sinus. It leads to the back of the throat.
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bootweasel Regular user 124 Posts |
Derren was on UK radio earlier today. Interestingly the bulk of listener's questions were about how he did the phonebox effect.
The presenter said that it was 'easily the scariest thing' Derren had done. |
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sludge Special user milton keynes, england 530 Posts |
"invisible compromise" is not a "means to "tip" something to a spectator without anyone else realising".
When routineing effects, generally there is a compromise. A visible compromise might be that the performer handles the deck. An invisible compromise might be that the deck is imperceptibly stacked. Not a great example I know, but you get the idea? I think that if Derren mentioned in his intro that he used hypnotism then everything he does would be put down to hypnotism by many lay people and there's no magic to hypnotism to lay people, imho. Entertainment yes, but not the type of "magic" that Derren wants his audience to feel. |
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King of Diamonds Regular user Elite user 139 Posts |
Basically, he 'forced' teh number of fingers on the audience member who chose a number of fingers. By showing fingers, the person subconsciously chooses that number....
And Francisco, why were you so content on believing everything was a stooge? Also Derren did not need to drill a hole as there is already a 'hole' through ur nose. The hammer was just for effect. Must be horrible to have a nail through your nose though! As for the phonebox, apparently Derren is 'standing round the corner on a mobile phone' and utters some words to them which sends into a trance of some sort. K of D
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Darko Dojin Regular user DGAF 163 Posts |
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On 2004-05-19 17:00, King of Diamonds wrote: He is young, but the force is strong in him. (I think). On 2004-05-19 17:00, King of Diamonds wrote: Must be horrible to have a nail through your nose though! K of D [/quote] Actually it's not too bad. I managed to get 4 inches in and apart from a bit of residual soreness it's a doddle. |
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Nikodini Regular user 195 Posts |
First time I saw someone hammer a nail that way was 20 years ago. I remember when I was a little kid and parents took me to a carnival. There was a guy there who would hammer a real nail just like Derren did. The effect must be hundreds of years old (at least).
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A l a i n B e ll o n Veteran user 302 Posts |
I do not know whether or not Derren uses hypnosis inductions prior to a demonstration. But I can speak from experience about suggestion in a fully awaken state.
Many of the things that can be done with a subject under a "hypnotic trance" can be done without the trance or without induction at all. One just has to understand the elements of suggestibility: expectation, authority, belief, imagination, etc. Granted, a subject under "hypnotic trance" is easier to work with, but it is not a necessity. Does anyone here remember that Kreskin used to reproduce all of what can be achieved by hypnosis without inducing a hypnotic trance state? Anyone doing Luke Jermay's effects probably knows that suggestion, when properly setup, works well. So while I don't know what Derren's methodology is, I think many of the tests being talked about are feasable through suggestion alone. Either way, it doesn't minimize Derren's work at all, quite the opposite. Then again, not everyone has the same artistic sensibility. |
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Darko Dojin Regular user DGAF 163 Posts |
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On 2004-05-20 11:43, Alain Bellon wrote: Sure, suggestion works without hypnosis but hypnotic suggestion works even better. Suggestion is not the same as hypnosis but hypnosis has the ability to amplify suggestion to the point where rationality takes a back seat to the will of the hypnotist. There are just some suggestions that are too outlandish to work without hypnosis. Heat, pulsing, tingling, strange feelings even momentary amnesia are all possible without hypnosis and form much of the basis for Jermay's work, but there are things that are impossible to make work in a waking state. Alain, as much as I respect you and your work, I would love to see you argue how you can make a non hypnotised person believe that you are invisible or believe they are a chicken using suggestion alone. |
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Dan Tril New user 10 Posts |
What baffles me is when he named the name of the dogs in the most recent episode. How the hell does he get names from a poker face????. Any sources??
Thanks Dan |
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Darko Dojin Regular user DGAF 163 Posts |
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On 2004-05-22 08:29, Dan Tril wrote: He didn't. The sequence was heavily edited (watch for jump cuts etc...). This was purely an exercise in cold reading and/or pre-show wrapped in nice presentation. No big deal. |
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justforeffect Regular user Bristol, UK 153 Posts |
I thought that doing the phonebox in a hospital made it much more suspicious this time.
I mean, if someone appears to have collapsed do you really think that they would just have been left there? |
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Dan Tril New user 10 Posts |
Darko
But he did it in the Gay Bar in the last series and on his live shows, surley it cannot be purely cold reading? |
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