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magicfish Inner circle 7016 Posts 
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A suicide bomber screaming about Allah and infidels isn't Islam, its murder.
A gunman writing anti immigration pieces and screaming white supremacy isn't political, its murder. A driver running over people screaming death to all women isn't socio mysogyny, its murder. Stop giving credit to these lowlifes as though somehow what they do is a reflection on society. It isn't. They're murderers. Bad people doing bad things to people because they want to. That's it. You give them exactly what they want. I give them the opposite. I'm done now Ron. The last word is yours. |
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magicfish Inner circle 7016 Posts
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Sorry, one last thing.
By lending your ear to this homicidal maniac, you are indirectly encouraging future evil doers to go ahead with their violent fantasies. They'll want to be heard too. Stop creating a market for their mayhem. don't let them emotionally profit from their crimes. Done. |
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TomBoleware Inner circle Hattiesburg, Ms 3171 Posts
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I agree, they are Murderers and nothing more. And it’s easy to understand why Murderers choose places like Churches, Schools, Etc. There is no threat to them there.
They are cowards and shouldn't be given any air time. Tom
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George Ledo Magic Café Columnist SF Bay Area 3043 Posts
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There are two ways to "pay attention" to someone like this.
One is for the media and the public to talk about him and give him attention and notoriety - to turn him into a talking point. The other is for the authorities to investigate the why and how and figure out how to keep it from happening again. I'm totally against the first and all for the second.
That's our departed buddy Burt, aka The Great Burtini, doing his famous Cups and Mice routine
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gallagher Inner circle 1168 Posts
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In responce to George,
I can only snicker: "The 'authorities' have done a pretty good job of it so far!" The 'authoritative responce' will be: more restrictions for the masses. In my 30 years of 'terroristic experience', I often ask: Who has won? When I go thru airports... When I walk by a fenced-in school,.or church. When I see fewer people in Xmas markets... When I hear comedians change their jokes... ,..... Maybe we should go to the roots, ...give the sources a bit of 'terror'. They're quite obvious, or? The patterns are quite common aren't they? Unfortunately, so the responce: "The familys will be in ours prayers and thoughts." ,...well that just changes everything. gallagher p.s.: What's interesting, for me: All of these folks,..or should I simply say 'men', see themselves,....as 'victims'. They're NOT out there looking for stardom. They're looking to end something. |
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critter Inner circle Spokane, WA 2653 Posts
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The line of thought when I was in the Psychology of Murder class is that people begin by fantasizing about violence, which accustoms them enough to the thought to practice- often on animals- and then it keeps escalating as they become more confident and inured.
Being able to identify this pattern and intervene early seems the most logical path. But we probably worship violence too much.
"The fool is one who doesn't know what you have just found out."
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R.S. Regular user CT one day I'll have 188 Posts
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On Mar 17, 2019, magicfish wrote: If I have a political agenda at all it would be to reduce/prevent these sorts of atrocities from happening in the future. And you don’t do that by ignoring what took place and essentially telling people, “move on… there’s nothing to see here.” Case in point. And… Let me get this straight. It sounds like you don’t really believe he hated muslims and immigrants – even when he said he did and even when he murdered them. Is that your position? That he killed for attention or fun rather than out of hatred for muslims and immigrants? Ron
"It is error only, and not truth, that shrinks from inquiry." Thomas Paine
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On Mar 17, 2019, magicfish wrote: Correct – they’re all cases of murder. Each with their own particular motivations. Quote:
How is having a discussion giving them “credit”?? Makes no sense. And actually YOU may be giving them what they want – tacit approval by not condemning them for their motivations. Ron
"It is error only, and not truth, that shrinks from inquiry." Thomas Paine
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On Mar 17, 2019, magicfish wrote: See previous post. Ron
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On Mar 17, 2019, TomBoleware wrote: I think you missed my point there Tom, but that’s OK. I agree that they don’t deserve undue air time and ZERO adulation/glorification. But as a society it’s in our best interest to understand what makes these people tick, and how they can be influenced to act out. Ron
"It is error only, and not truth, that shrinks from inquiry." Thomas Paine
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TomBoleware Inner circle Hattiesburg, Ms 3171 Posts
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Ron,
I was agreeing with what magicfish said. 
But anyway, you can’t condemn his motivation when you don’t know what it is. Surely you don’t believe he developed a mindset overnight that would allow him to murder people. It takes some time to become such an evil person. We can’t force everyone to go to Sunday school, not watch tv, or play killing games all day on the computer. People become who they are overtime. These killers know right from wrong, they just don’t care about nobody but themselves. Tom
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magicfish Inner circle 7016 Posts
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Exactly Tom. I do not condemn motivations because I don't know what they are. I condemn the action- which is murder. Why on earth would I believe anything this guy says about his motivation. 76 pages doesn't make it true. Manson wrote waaaaay more than 76 pages.
Kaczynski had motivation. Holmes had motivation. All meaningless drivel. Just criminals who wanted to inflict harm and suffering. |
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On Mar 17, 2019, TomBoleware wrote: I still think you missed my point. No biggie.
Are you saying that you have no idea what his motivation could have been? He targeted a very specific group of people. He has a trail of online and in print writings that clearly express his grievances. He is a self-described “white supremacist”. What do you think is the most likely reason that those particular people, in those particular venues, are now dead? I don’t think a random killing spree for “attention” would be so meticulously planned out and targeted. And from what we know, this was not a mindset he developed “overnight”, as you say. It had been cultivated for quite some time. I don’t know what Sunday school has to do with anything. Anyway, are you suggesting that those who go to Sunday school, don’t watch TV, or play violent video games never do anything wrong or commit crimes? Ron
"It is error only, and not truth, that shrinks from inquiry." Thomas Paine
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On Mar 17, 2019, magicfish wrote: Please answer this: Let me get this straight. It sounds like you don’t really believe he hated muslims and immigrants – even when he said he did and even when he murdered them. Is that your position? That he killed for attention or fun rather than out of hatred for muslims and immigrants? Ron
"It is error only, and not truth, that shrinks from inquiry." Thomas Paine
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TomBoleware Inner circle Hattiesburg, Ms 3171 Posts
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Ron,
He was mainly influenced by other mass shooters, one in particularly was Anders Breivik, the far-right Norwegian terrorist who murdered 77 people in 2011, and whose own rambling 1,518-page manifesto inspired several other copycat extremists. The ramblings of these killers trying to justify their action is just another way to get attention. But words can’t justify killing innocent people. These people don’t deserve any mention in the news, that only creates more copycats. Tom
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slowkneenuh Regular user After 5,278+ posts, only credited with 133 Posts
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To add insult to injury, there is no death penalty in New Zealand.
John
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Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27300 Posts
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On Mar 17, 2019, magicfish wrote: I agree. That's why it's important to round up the network before it goes to ground. Very few people are inspired to consider violence by writings. It's usually a political support thing. About the "manifesto" and video that folks are fretting about. By making it into a "hard to get" item - it's being made into exactly the thing we don't need. These ugly things gain power by efforts to make them forbidden. It's important to inoculate against such things - toxic and blaming - by leaving them in the open. Sunlight is a pretty good disinfectant. Don't create demand by fussing over that product. There are more useful things to seek out and read. Or watch. Invoking censorship of such things just makes the case for what we don't need to encourage.
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tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 16543 Posts
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Very insightful Jon - as usual.
If there is a single truth about Magic, it is that nothing on earth so efficiently evades it.
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tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 16543 Posts
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Entertainment plays a part in how people behalf and violent computer games are a relatively new phenomena.
“An "ax-crazy" character is someone who is psychologically unstable and presents a clear and present danger to others. They are capable of extreme violence, whether carried out with a Slasher Smile, insane laughter, speaking in a Creepy Monotone, or out and out murderous rage, and with no way of knowing just what will set them off, which makes them extremely frightening to deal with. This mainly differentiates them from other eccentric characters who may themselves be obsessive, weird or seemingly crazy, but use this condition hand in hand with doing good, or at least not being in the way. However, some formerly established heroes can go through an episode of ax-craziness and still retain their heroic mantle.” “In many popular cyberpunk Tabletop Games, cybernetic implants cause "humanity loss", reducing your social traits and essentially making cyberware into a form of Body Horror. Too many implants may reduce your character to catatonia or (far more often) Ax-Crazy on steroids.” Think drugs when reading cybernetic implants and it might tell you why we have "ax-crazy" characters running around.
If there is a single truth about Magic, it is that nothing on earth so efficiently evades it.
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R.S. Regular user CT one day I'll have 188 Posts
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On Mar 17, 2019, TomBoleware wrote: Tom, Why do you think he was targeting Muslims in mosques, and not, say, Christians in a church? Or even random people on the street? How do you distinguish between "ramblings" and an honest portrayal of their worldview? And still unanswered: Are you suggesting that those who go to Sunday school, don't watch TV, or play violent video games never do anything wrong or commit any crimes? Ron
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