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This is addressed to the amatuers.

Especially the smart-ass ones.

In my mind there is a border.

PROS...and the rest of us slobs.

Tiger is a pro..and that is the level we all need to be at.
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Yeah! Pros like Ed Marlo, Jacob Daley, Paul Curry, Larry Jennings, John Ramsay, Alex Elmsley, Lennart Green, John Bannon, Ernest Earick...

Hard to think of a single amateur to whom we should aspire.
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Can’t it be as simple as aspiring to be the best “You” with honest hard work and practice? I respect a lot of the “big names” in our industry / art but I do not aspire to be a carbon copy of any of them. I would rather be a”rag doll” made up of a small fabric of each.
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Yeah! Pros like Ed Marlo, Jacob Daley, Paul Curry, Larry Jennings, John Ramsay, Alex Elmsley, Lennart Green, John Bannon, Ernest Earick...

Hard to think of a single amateur to whom we should aspire.

Maybe he is talking about actual pros.
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I know you guys are not Blaine fans...but he gets up in front of the world and destroys them.

Harry Lorayne can captivate an audience for hours on end.

These are PROS...while we split hairs.
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Is it surprising that pros, who have plenty of time to practice and perform regularly if not daily, generally are more proficient and polished than amateurs? Isn’t that the definition of a professional? Of course, all magicians should aspire to excellence.
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...while we split hairs.


Weird. It's almost as if we love magic and enjoy the lively discussion of it.

Shame on me. I should be practicing REAL PRO Chuck Vandergraff's D'Lite opener, which he absolutely slays with every Wednesday night from 8-8:45 at the TGI Fridays.
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Might be a good idea. And why denigrate the man? If his audiences are enjoying his act then perhaps we can learn something from him.
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I'd rather be a slob like the gentlemen mentioned above than the gentleman mentioned above.

How quickly we forget the origins of the word "amateur". There's room for everyone at the table.
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There are good pros. There are bad pros. Most are average.

There are good ams. There are bad ams. Most are average.

If some guy is working TGI Friday then good for him. I think he deserves some respect for getting out there.

Practice whatever you like, but I think it's a little unfair to disrespect the working man.

Equally, saying any given pro is "better" than any given AM is also a pretty ludicrous place to be.


The main thing that links pros and ams together is that they both need to drop their egos and get on with it.
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JC...I must have hit a nerve. Of course my point is missed.

My point is.. don't do a trick until you have it down at a PRO level.

Perhaps I didn't state my point.

Go Tiger! (right).
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If his audiences are enjoying his act then perhaps we can learn something from him.


That's like saying perhaps we can learn something from the success of the Transformers film franchise. Technically, sure, we can learn that people like sensational setpieces, giant robots, and big explosions. Is that new, surprising, or significant information? Absolutely not.
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My point is.. don't do a trick until you have it down at a PRO level.


What does that have to do with splitting hairs?

If only there was a famous Michelangelo-by-way-of-Vernon quote that could address this issue directly.
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If some guy is working TGI Friday then good for him. I think he deserves some respect for getting out there.


If someone is doing what they love, great. But being a "professional" doesn't automatically elevate you or your standing in magic.
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On Mar 16, 2019, Kimura wrote:
If some guy is working TGI Friday then good for him. I think he deserves some respect for getting out there.


If someone is doing what they love, great. But being a "professional" doesn't automatically elevate you or your standing in magic.


Agreed.
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Also agree.

My point is about perfection. Mastery.

The term "PRO" is nebulous.

There are professionals pan handlers (especially in Dee Cee).

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Let's clarify terms. Instead of "pro" versus "amateur," as mentioned in the original post, let's go with with "good" versus "bad". Problem solved!
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Outstanding..Rupert.

I guess I am just sick and tired of bad.
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Here's an interview with an amateur, hobbyist magician. Smile https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KLy2H2ksgF8
Also, watch for a few cameos in the background!
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My kind of amateur/hobbiest! Thanks for sharing.
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