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TomBoleware Inner circle Hattiesburg, Ms 3163 Posts |
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On Apr 2, 2019, karnak wrote: Everything ‘within’ our universe is created. Outside of it, we’re not sure. Then too I wouldn’t compare a God as being normal like you and me. Any body/thing with power enough to cause a Big Bang could probably do just about anything. Tom
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TomBoleware Inner circle Hattiesburg, Ms 3163 Posts |
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On Apr 2, 2019, TomBoleware wrote: Couldn’t edit so let me add; I also wouldn’t assume that God created a place for only the smart people. I like to think he kept the rules simple so everyone could understand. Maybe something as simple as ‘just have faith in me’ Tom
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
All very convenient, yet not what would be called compelling evidence.
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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magicfish Inner circle 7004 Posts |
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On Apr 2, 2019, karnak wrote: No idea. But something created the universe. How could it not have? Whatever created the universe, and therefore, the earth, and my steak dinner, is my Creator. My God. |
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TomBoleware Inner circle Hattiesburg, Ms 3163 Posts |
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On Apr 2, 2019, Dannydoyle wrote: Sometimes I think the ‘compelling’ evidence was left out on purpose. Only requiring ‘faith’ would put everyone on the same playing level. Not always easy, but with faith comes strength. Anyway, sorry for so many posts in trying to keep up. Tom
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
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On Apr 2, 2019, TomBoleware wrote: Not really.
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27297 Posts |
It's educational - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U4LSnc1DPr8
Guessing there's similar for people who have their faith centered in Hindu or Scientology based narratives. It's the claims of exclusivity and "objective" veracity which open the topic up to experimentation ... and science
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ed rhodes Inner circle Rhode Island 2885 Posts |
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On Apr 2, 2019, TomBoleware wrote: In "The Hotchhikers Guide To The Galaxy," Douglas Adams proposes something called a Babel Fish. Sticking one in your ear allows you to understand anything said to you in any language. He then states that the sheer unlikely event of such a creature being created by chance is their final argument for the NON-existence of God! The argument goes like this; GOD: I refuse to prove that I exist! For proof denies faith, and without faith I am nothing. MAN: Ah! (says Man) The Babel Fish is s dead giveaway isn't it? It proves you exist, and so therefore, you don't! Q.E.D. GOD: Oh dear! (says God) I hadn't thought of that! (and promptly vanishes in a puff of logic!) Oh, that was easy, says Man. And for his next trick, goes on to prove that black is white, and gets killed at the next zebra-crossing. Many theologians claim that this argument is a load of fetid dingo's kidneys. But that didn't stop Oolan Kalophi from using it in his latest book; "Well, That About Wraps It Up For God!"
"...and if you're too afraid of goin' astray, you won't go anywhere." - Granny Weatherwax
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Greg Arce Inner circle 6732 Posts |
In these types of debate, I always ask one thing: What would Thor do?
Greg
One of my favorite quotes: "A critic is a legless man who teaches running."
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ed rhodes Inner circle Rhode Island 2885 Posts |
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On Apr 2, 2019, Greg Arce wrote: Order a mead and stay out of it!
"...and if you're too afraid of goin' astray, you won't go anywhere." - Granny Weatherwax
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TomBoleware Inner circle Hattiesburg, Ms 3163 Posts |
Ed, are you a comic collector? Your story reminds me of this
I owned a comic & card shop for several years. After closing I took most of the inventory home with me and sold it over the years on ebay. I finally sold the last few books I had about six months ago. It was a set of The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy Graphic Novels. I never read a one of them, I was more into the super heroes, but my son who ran the shop for me did collect the odd titles like the HHG and I’m sure he still has all of his collection. Tom
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R.S. Regular user CT one day I'll have 184 Posts |
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On Apr 2, 2019, TomBoleware wrote: Tom, you seem to be anthropomorphizing “science.” Your statement is essentially nonsensical. At any rate, NOBODY knows how the universe came to be. Ron
"It is error only, and not truth, that shrinks from inquiry." Thomas Paine
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R.S. Regular user CT one day I'll have 184 Posts |
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On Apr 2, 2019, TomBoleware wrote: The Big Bang posits that the universe was condensed into a singularity. So yes, the universe was here (or everywhere?). And how could you possibly know what was or wasn’t the cause of the Big Bang??? Ron
"It is error only, and not truth, that shrinks from inquiry." Thomas Paine
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R.S. Regular user CT one day I'll have 184 Posts |
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On Apr 2, 2019, magicfish wrote: The Big Bang posits that the universe was condensed into a singularity. So there was a universe. And quantum fluctuations happen spontaneously, with no apparent causal chain. It just sort of happens. Maybe someday quantum physics will develop a better understanding of these admittedly weird processes. Quote:
How do you know that everything that exists must have been created? Isn’t it possible that the singularity was eternal? Also it’s important to draw a distinction between that which is “created” and that which is “formed.” Snowflakes are intricate patterns of ice crystals and water. They sure appear to have been created/designed. But they were formed by natural processes when the conditions were just right. No top-down creator required. Same with lightning bolts. Or sand dunes. Or the Earth itself. Or even the stars. Get enough matter in one place and let gravity do the rest. Ron
"It is error only, and not truth, that shrinks from inquiry." Thomas Paine
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R.S. Regular user CT one day I'll have 184 Posts |
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On Apr 2, 2019, TomBoleware wrote: See my post to magicfish above. Quote:
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Any body/thing with power enough to cause a Big Bang could probably do just about anything. Again, we don’t know that it even makes sense to say that the Big Bang had an ultimate cause. Ron
"It is error only, and not truth, that shrinks from inquiry." Thomas Paine
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R.S. Regular user CT one day I'll have 184 Posts |
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On Apr 2, 2019, TomBoleware wrote: Could that faith lead people to different conclusions about the "creator"? Or would everyone automatically be in agreement on the nature of the creator, it's preferences, it's moral code, it's rules, etc.? Ron
"It is error only, and not truth, that shrinks from inquiry." Thomas Paine
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TomBoleware Inner circle Hattiesburg, Ms 3163 Posts |
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On Apr 2, 2019, R.S. wrote: Yes, people can and do reach different conclusions. No problem there. Tom
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magicfish Inner circle 7004 Posts |
R.S. wrote,
"Isn’t it possible that the singularity was eternal? " How can there be a singularity? What is around it? What created it? What was before it? How could it be eternal if there is/was no time. Science has no answers. None. And that's ok. I could never expect it to. It is, of course, unknowable. Equally unknowable as how the Nautilus shell or the centre of a Sunflower or a DNA molecule conforms with the Golden Ratio. Again, I have as much or more evidence for a Divine catalyst to the Big Bang as without. |
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tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 16544 Posts |
A God is an entity with power: that is all which defines a God. There are greater Gods and lesser Gods and Gods that walk the Earth. Julius Caesar was the first historical Roman to be officially deified and some believe his son was Jesus. Those who don’t believe in the Gods are ignorant.
If there is a single truth about Magic, it is that nothing on earth so efficiently evades it.
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R.S. Regular user CT one day I'll have 184 Posts |
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On Apr 2, 2019, TomBoleware wrote: And therefore, some (or all) of those people using faith will be incorrect in their conclusion about the creator, right? Ron
"It is error only, and not truth, that shrinks from inquiry." Thomas Paine
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