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On Mar 27, 2019, landmark wrote:
Something from nothing? Evidently you're new to NVMS...Smile


LOL

Yes we have proven that, both sides, many times here. Smile

I’m just curious about: How often does it happen?

And if it was only once, wouldn’t that be a miracle?

Tom
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Ooo getting close now.
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LOL

I’m just thinking why things are not still just popping up from nowhere if it is possible.

But then I think about the time I saw a magician pull a rabbit from an empty hat. So maybe it can happen.

Tom
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The closer we look at something, the more we discover it's actually nothing.
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Does nothing exist?
If there is a single truth about Magic, it is that nothing on earth so efficiently evades it.

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Good question!
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On Mar 27, 2019, Roberto Juan wrote:
Good question!


Not really.

Nothing exists means the existence of nothing, which means existence exists, which means that nothing cannot not not exist.

And no, I didn't mistype that last sentence. But then, I'm a foolish man.
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Once you rewind all the way back to the Big Bang/rapid inflation, it no longer makes sense to speak of a prior time or of a pre-existing space.

You know this for a fact, or you're relying on . . . I'm so uncomfortable writing this, but I'm compelled to do so . . . faith?
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Nothin' from nothin' leaves nothin'
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On Mar 27, 2019, TomBoleware wrote:
And if it was only once, wouldn’t that be a miracle?
Tom

Not necessarily. Maybe it's just rare.
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I’m just thinking why things are not still just popping up from nowhere if it is possible.
Tom


Maybe they are. Just not locally, or otherwise where we can see them.

Maybe new Big Bangs and new universes are born every day, perhaps even every minute.

But we'd never know it, because we're here, in *our own* universe. All those other universes would be, you know, *other* universes (separate and distinct from our own, therefore beyond detection by us... at least so far, anyway).
For a supernatural chiller mixing magic (prestidigitation, legerdemain) with Magic (occultism, mysticism), check out my novel MAGIC: AN OCCULT THRILLER at http://www.amazon.com/Magic-Occult-Thriller-Reed-Hall/dp/1453874836
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You know this for a fact, or you're relying on . . . I'm so uncomfortable writing this, but I'm compelled to do so . . . faith?


Presumably the scientists who possess the requisite competency to deem it at least provisionally factual would say that they do so not upon the basis of faith, but of evidence.
For a supernatural chiller mixing magic (prestidigitation, legerdemain) with Magic (occultism, mysticism), check out my novel MAGIC: AN OCCULT THRILLER at http://www.amazon.com/Magic-Occult-Thriller-Reed-Hall/dp/1453874836
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...who possess the requisite competency to deem it at least provisionally factual....


Find them and bring them to me, and I'll buy them beer and pizza.

I'm hungry as well as foolish.
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I’m just thinking why things are not still just popping up from nowhere if it is possible.
Tom


Maybe they are. Just not locally, or otherwise where we can see them.

Maybe new Big Bangs and new universes are born every day, perhaps even every minute.

But we'd never know it, because we're here, in *our own* universe. All those other universes would be, you know, *other* universes (separate and distinct from our own, therefore beyond detection by us... at least so far, anyway).


Oh I’m a big believer in other places somewhere out there that we haven’t seen yet.

And I guess the odds are good they got there the same way we did. A Big Bang and There It Is.

Just makes one wonder what causes all those Bangs, some seem to be saying 'Nothing' causes it.

Tom
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...who possess the requisite competency to deem it at least provisionally factual....


Find them and bring them to me, and I'll buy them beer and pizza.


Presumably you possess the requisite competency to deem such scientists as possessing, or lacking, the requisite competency to deem it (no pre-Big Bang spacetime, at least not in our neck of the multiverse) at least provisionally factual.

But alas, even if so, I cannot afford to bring them to you. I can barely afford beer and pizza myself.
For a supernatural chiller mixing magic (prestidigitation, legerdemain) with Magic (occultism, mysticism), check out my novel MAGIC: AN OCCULT THRILLER at http://www.amazon.com/Magic-Occult-Thriller-Reed-Hall/dp/1453874836
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You know this for a fact, or you're relying on . . . I'm so uncomfortable writing this, but I'm compelled to do so . . . faith?

Presumably the scientists who possess the requisite competency to deem it at least provisionally factual would say that they do so not upon the basis of faith, but of evidence.

They might.

They'd be wrong.
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On Mar 27, 2019, TomBoleware wrote:
Just makes one wonder what causes all those Bangs, some seem to be saying 'Nothing' causes it.
Tom


Some might say that. But others say instead that we simply don't know (yet) what caused/causes it. That does not necessarily equate to "nothing" caused it.

Some say that the Big Bang theory suggests that "nothing" somehow exploded. But others say instead simply that we can trace the universe back to a primordial singularity. We simply cannot go back any further than that (possibly because there *was no* "before that," in terms of time as we know it)

But in any case, it was that primordial singularity that what expanded/inflated -- not "nothing."
For a supernatural chiller mixing magic (prestidigitation, legerdemain) with Magic (occultism, mysticism), check out my novel MAGIC: AN OCCULT THRILLER at http://www.amazon.com/Magic-Occult-Thriller-Reed-Hall/dp/1453874836
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You know this for a fact, or you're relying on . . . I'm so uncomfortable writing this, but I'm compelled to do so . . . faith?

Presumably the scientists who possess the requisite competency to deem it at least provisionally factual would say that they do so not upon the basis of faith, but of evidence.

They might.

They'd be wrong.


They'd be wrong to say that they deem it to be at least provisionally factual, upon the basis of evidence?
For a supernatural chiller mixing magic (prestidigitation, legerdemain) with Magic (occultism, mysticism), check out my novel MAGIC: AN OCCULT THRILLER at http://www.amazon.com/Magic-Occult-Thriller-Reed-Hall/dp/1453874836
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On Mar 27, 2019, S2000magician wrote:
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On Mar 27, 2019, karnak wrote:
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On Mar 27, 2019, S2000magician wrote:
You know this for a fact, or you're relying on . . . I'm so uncomfortable writing this, but I'm compelled to do so . . . faith?

Presumably the scientists who possess the requisite competency to deem it at least provisionally factual would say that they do so not upon the basis of faith, but of evidence.

They might.

They'd be wrong.

They'd be wrong to say that they deem it to be at least provisionally factual, upon the basis of evidence?

Perhaps I missed something here. If so, I apologize.

What evidence do scientists have of what existed before the Big Bang?
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Once you rewind all the way back to before the Big Bang one does not find nothing, which be pretty difficult anyway, but absolute zero temperature. Thus nothing instantly becomes something.
If there is a single truth about Magic, it is that nothing on earth so efficiently evades it.

Tommy
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