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elushinz
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Just wondering if any of you have a simple solution to my problem. I learned the breakthrough system and love it. I was wondering, after performing an effect where, let's say, a few cards are removed, how do you "fix" the deck.

I would like to be confident enough to just put them back in their place, but for now I need to know if I am overlooking something simple.

Thanks for any help,
Tim
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I run off to the can and pull out a copy of the stack diagram and rearrange.

Either that or carry a spare deck set up.
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I expect that you're not worried about making mistakes using the system, because then you wouldn't be ready to perform with it.

Use the system on each removed card. That will let you know where it should be placed, either in relation to the deck, or in relation to the other removed cards.
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To follow up on Bill's post:

Figure out in your mind the card that should be after the card that was removed. Then simply put the removed card back before that card.

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Im setting up another one as I type....I first go thru it one after the other then rearrange again. It gives me practice doing it....

A chart made up would be easier though....
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Just keep track of them! and set your routine like that so that you end with a shuffled deck (from their hands)... at which point by the way you can present an effect once again... and if it works then all possible explanations disolve.

Just dicide on a succesful order for your effects that would work always.

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For me it depends how many cards have been removed.
I've had someone accidentally move four cards from thier correct place and bury them in the middle.

I just carried on. There's only a small chance that I might fail. I carried on regardless and just went for it. You can always shove them back in later.
Trust anyone who has gone through it.
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Exactly! just go ahead continuing what you are doing and if you have a couple of misses it doesn't matter.. it will seem more real.. and/or they wont even remember it.. And a insist when you are done with using it let them suffle it and repeat the effect again... The odds are with you!! and they will go away thinking that they suffled the deck from the beggining. Naturally don't let them overdo it with the suffling... tell them to "give"a suffle... it doesn't matter" pacing them so that they do it fast. Smile

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Thanks for the tips! I think I have my solution.
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If you are using the system more than once then either place the card at the top and bottom and keep them controlled there, or remove them completely from the deck.

To find out where to put them back you can do the calculation in reverse to find out which card precedes it.

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When doing an effect which requires that you remove several cards, such as Card Calling, when you name each card and it gets handed to you, make sure you place it face up in your left hand. therefore, all the cards after that should go face up after each successive card is handed to you. The cards will then be in the correct order. Since you cut the cards at the point at which they removed it at the beginning of the effect, once you have called out all the cards, all you need do is to replace that small stack in your hand to the bottom or top of the deck and then you will have the deck in the correct 52 stack order once again and can continue with other BCS effects. I use this effect all the time even in resturaunts, and this method of resetting the system has served me well instead of running to the bathroom everytime to reset the stack.

The Blackjack demonstration, however, messes up the order quite a bit. If you want to do other BCS effects after that, I strongly suggest you have another stacked deck in your pocket to switch out. If you plan to end your performance with the Blackjack Demonstration, then you can set the deck again at a later stage.
Hope this helps
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I saw this dvd and even though I don't work with this system you can do what Richard did and just give the cards away. So if you feel you've messed up the order somehow, just have the person you were working with keep the cards. When I saw him do this I thought it looked impressive.


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It is an awesome effect Anabelle. Just a pack of cards from Walmart can be turned into a miracle.
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I think you just hit the difficulties with Osterlinds System - It's not easy to go both ways - knowing where a card is and naming it by a number. SO actually it's easier to carry an extra deck that's been set-up.

Another stack I use is Charles Gauci's "15 minutes no mnemonic deck" that you can learn in 15 minutes - yes it's true. Here you can name a card by the number, you know whats before and after, and you can easily insert it again. It's not an obvious stack like the Si Stebbins stack, although you will find the system if you look hard for a long time.

So I use Osterlinds system for one effect and Gauci's for another. I rarely do 2 card mentalism effects after each other, so I have no problem switching the deck.

I tend to combine the effects using cards, other objects (envelopes, centre tear, bill switch), ESP cards so whenever I need a deck switch it comes naturally.

I guess it doesn't answer your question - and then still it does offer a solution to your problem.
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