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Irony is that while I was reading this thread, Microsoft news popped up that JA had been hit with 18 additional federal charges!

Correct. The wheels of justice are turning.
This guy should be locked up for a long time.
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Why?
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Why?


Why what, why was it ironic or why should he be locked up?

If the latter, if he's found guilty of any or all of these charges, he should definitely be put away for a long time.
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... if he's found guilty of any or all of these charges, he should definitely be put away for a long time.


Wikileaks, 2009. Charges on Swedish matter - 2010. Post hoc?

Treason doth never prosper... interesting metamorphosis of Ajax, huh? link and link Smile
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On May 23, 2019, landmark wrote:
Why?

Well, when one commits a crime, in a civilized, lawful society, there are consequences.
If you speed, you get a speeding ticket.
If you rape or assault, it could be a lengthy prison sentence.
If you interfere with affairs of state or commit espionage or treason, it could be life in prison or death depending on many things.
Skipping bail carries a penalty too.
Fraud, theft, conspiracy to commit...and so on.
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For the first time in the history of our country, the government has brought criminal charges against a publisher for the publication of truthful information.

This is ... a direct assault on the First Amendment. It establishes a dangerous precedent that can be used to target all news organizations that hold the government accountable by publishing its secrets.

And it is equally dangerous for U.S. journalists who uncover the secrets of other nations. If the US can prosecute a foreign publisher for violating our secrecy laws, there’s nothing preventing China, or Russia, from doing the same.”

https://www.aclu.org/press-releases/aclu......dictment
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On May 23, 2019, landmark wrote:
Why?

Well, when one commits a crime, in a civilized, lawful society, there are consequences.




What society would that be? The lawlessness of the US government is exactly what Assange has been publishing for the past decades. The murder of civilians by US government troops among other matters.

Assange is being punished for the crime of journalism. There is absolutely no difference between what he did and the NY Times publishing the Pentagon Papers.
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1. What society? Any society governed by the rule of law.
2. Journalism is not a crime. What assange did was not journalism in any way, shape or form. Hence the charges.
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Journalism is the printing of the truth about matters which concern the public. Period. A person doesn't cease to be a journalist merely because you don't like what s/he has to say. The discovery of illegal murder by government operatives most certainly falls into that category.

Any society which does not allow for the printing of the truth about its government's illegal activities is well on the way to totalitarianism. Unlike the British isles, the US was predicted on the importance of a free press. Thomas Jefferson was speaking precisely of the kind of situation we are dealing with now:

"The basis of our governments being the opinion of the people, the very first object should be to keep that right; and were it left to me to decide whether we should have a government without newspapers or newspapers without a government, I should not hesitate a moment to prefer the latter."

and

"Our citizens may be deceived for awhile, and have been deceived; but as long as the presses can be protected, we may trust to them for light."
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Well I concede that is what journalism once was. Now not so much.
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Theresa May will be booted out soon

So they say.

Different leaders have different ideas about what will be.
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Theresa has left the building.
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Theresa has left the building.
She gave her two week notice announced last night.

Same day as Bittersweet Symphony story went out. Do we have a theme song?
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Boris Johnson is the 6/4 Favourite to become the next leader here. Boris as former Home Secretary said that he would not extradite Julian Assange to the USA without good reason and not before he had certain assurances: Julian Assange would have to be treated humanely, get a fair trial and not be executed, etcetera. Also if it sparks a new election and the Labour party win I do not think they will extradite Julian Assange. It is no sure thing that our courts will do it.
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On May 23, 2019, landmark wrote:
For the first time in the history of our country, the government has brought criminal charges against a publisher for the publication of truthful information.

This is ... a direct assault on the First Amendment. It establishes a dangerous precedent that can be used to target all news organizations that hold the government accountable by publishing its secrets.

And it is equally dangerous for U.S. journalists who uncover the secrets of other nations. If the US can prosecute a foreign publisher for violating our secrecy laws, there’s nothing preventing China, or Russia, from doing the same.”

https://www.aclu.org/press-releases/aclu......dictment

So is it fair to say that you admit he broke the law but you just don't agree with the law?
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Boris Johnson is the 6/4 Favourite to become the next leader here. Boris as former Home Secretary said that he would not extradite Julian Assange to the USA without good reason and not before he had certain assurances: Julian Assange would have to be treated humanely, get a fair trial and not be executed, etcetera. Also if it sparks a new election and the Labour party win I do not think they will extradite Julian Assange. It is no sure thing that our courts will do it.

Espionage is a serious crime. As is Rape. He should be brought to justice. But, amid today's leftwing media lunacy, his role as political pawn may save him.
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So is it fair to say that you admit he broke the law but you just don't agree with the law?

No. He broke no law. He did the same thing the New York Times did. He published news.

The rape allegations are just that--allegations. Allegations, incidentally, that he was always willing to face. BTW you never answered , whether you believed the allegations of Anita Hill and Christine Blasey Ford.

As for "left-wing lunacy," the movement to free Assange encompasses people from all over the political spectrum--even among the posters on this board. The peril to the First Amendment is obvious and important to many across political lines.
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Problem with the first ammendment stuff is it has no meaning beyond our shores.
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Are we in a time of universal deceit?

Have magician failed to warn the public of universal deceit?
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