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Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27297 Posts |
It's a pi**ing match between the fourth estate (the press) and the first estate (those who manage the party bosses). Who gets to decide public access to inconvenient truths*. The current public facing game is to use legal means to make an example of JAssange. To instill fear into future whistle-blowers and those who would use more public means to address public wrongs. Good thing they did not simply dump the data onto Twitter feeds or Facebook pages... you know - publish the sources as found rather than directly attempt to broker narrative for fame and profit.
Alert readers here will have also noticed the Baltimore city computer hack and the spreading use of USA developed and sponsored computer weapons being used against US citizens. There's also the matter of missing public discussion of our recent trade treaties, undermining private use of cryptography, and the general notion of social privilege. A Convenient Distraction? Ideology? There's something about filtering information that feels like talking down to a child. So, have you noticed that Clark Kent is a reporter for the Daily Planet rather than some town or city newspaper? We spend a lot of time treating Star Trek as nostalgia and Star Wars as model of suitable storytelling. Keeping a focus on the forest fire and not a few scattered smoldering dry leaves is no small task these days. There's a nice song in "Into The Woods" that offers some perspective. No matter the supposed context or pretense - children are listening. Alexa, say hi to Siri. *It might be worth watching that Al Gore movie as allegory for our economy.
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tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 16544 Posts |
Did the two women in question say they were not raped and did you believe them?
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Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27297 Posts |
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On May 29, 2019, tommy wrote: ?? Tommy they both said he had consenting relations but one claims she thought it was exclusive... then demanded the public inquiry and an STD test to shame him. Rationally the matter ended the day after the claimed assault when she kept him in her place and in her bed that again night too. If you'd like to get all soap opera lurid about it ... maybe she found out he was spending time with Bradley Manning?
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tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 16544 Posts |
Neither woman claimed she had been raped. Indeed, both denied they were raped and one of them has since tweeted, "I have not been raped."
http://johnpilger.com/articles/getting-j......ld-story
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magicfish Inner circle 7004 Posts |
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On May 29, 2019, Jonathan Townsend wrote: Long runs the fox. Sprite or 7-Up? Hawking radiation indeed. And when will we dispense with the heavenly cardinal? Did we not learn from the Plains of Abraham? I, for one, second the motion. Roller hockey anyone? |
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Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27297 Posts |
So the press is free to entertain but not free to inform the public?
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magicfish Inner circle 7004 Posts |
It is free to inform the public, unfortunately, it doesn't.
What it is not free to do is commit crimes. |
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Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27297 Posts |
Agreed about conspiring (doing more than developing sources for a story) and certainly agreed about directly endangering people in active field operations by naming them - such as what happened to Valerie Plame.
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tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 16544 Posts |
At a press conference, Borgstrom the Swedish prosecutor was asked by a Swedish reporter why the case was proceeding when it had already been dismissed. The reporter cited one of the women as saying she had not been raped. He replied, "Ah, but she is not a lawyer." So who is going to win that argument in court?
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landmark Inner circle within a triangle 5194 Posts |
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What it is not free to do is commit crimes. It's curious to keep calling someone a criminal when you have shown zero proof of that. Yet when proof by a journalist is shown of crimes--atrocious crimes--committed--there is no mention of that. What gives with that?
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magicfish Inner circle 7004 Posts |
I asked you a question which you have avoided.
There is evidence that he has committed serious crimes. How do I know? You cannot be charged without some evidence. He is innocent until proven guilty if these crimes, but yes, of course there is evidence. |
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landmark Inner circle within a triangle 5194 Posts |
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You cannot be charged without some evidence. It happens all the time. Ever hear of wrongful arrest? And even when there is evidence, there is the matter of truth. Truthful evidence. I know there is no evidence because the US does not publicly charge such crimes without leaking evidence if they have it. It doesn't happen that way. So, what do you think about the evidence of atrocities committed by US military members uncovered by Chelsea Manning? There's a reason there is no Official Secrets Act in the US as there is in Britain and its other former colonies: it's because the American tradition has always been that the uncovering of truth always takes precedence over government reputation.
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
Many are charged without evidence.
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27297 Posts |
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On May 30, 2019, magicfish wrote: If only that were the case. Ordinarily habeas corpus and discovery would protect people from being convicted but not until the trial. Reasoning backwards presuming both good conservative judgement as regards use of the courts and good intent rather than abuse of authority is not always the most sensible approach to matters. If there were a matter worth prosecuting - it would have been done back in 2010 or shortly after some information was made public which put US citizens in danger. Developing a case of "she says (if Ms. Manning did testify)"/"he says" looks more like bullying. Claims about hypothetical effects of information being public rather than brokered through the usual channels (see the slideshow about data availability to search) remain to be tested and validated. Again, have a look at the instance of Ms. Plame. She's fine, safe at home, writing books.
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magicfish Inner circle 7004 Posts |
"Police and prosecutors do not arrest and charge someone solely because another person claims that a crime occurred and wants the offender prosecuted. Unless the police observe the crime, they will need to gather evidence and other information to recommend that the prosecutor charge the person with a crime."
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Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27297 Posts |
If you're going to quote please also cite the source.
The police officer who observes an activity may not be the officer who performs a related arrest or participates in evidence gathering. There's usually a Judge involved in getting a warrant. Justification and Warrants are specific notions - while the activity of performing an arrest does not depend upon or require a valid warrant. A successful prosecution may depend upon such things - recall the notion of Miranda rights. Be that as it may things are different after the PATRIOT act, FISA courts... Five Eyes agreement and... meh - let's just say civil rights are as complicated as end user license agreements these days.
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tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 16544 Posts |
Evidence is anything which tends to persuade one of a fact in issue. The fellow who understands that will also understand there is always evidence against the accused. The Swedish evidence is the two women’s statements and any admissions by Assange. It is up the court to decide if has committed an office and whether or not it has been proven. He has not charged yet and all they want is for him to be brought there for questioning. After that they might not charge him and likewise with regard to the so called charges in the USA.
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magicfish Inner circle 7004 Posts |
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On May 30, 2019, Jonathan Townsend wrote: Source? Sure. Every justice system in the modern civilised world. |
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magicfish Inner circle 7004 Posts |
Charging someone without evidence is a massive waste of money since it can never go to trial.
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tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 16544 Posts |
After a charge, there is usually a hearing to see if there is a case to answer before it goes to trial. I have faith in the justice system and I trust that Assange will win at the end of the day.
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