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On May 30, 2019, magicfish wrote:
Charging someone without evidence is a massive waste of money since it can never go to trial.
Agreed. But in practical reality that's a matter of opinion. If a judge can claim at the moment to believe there is likely to be sufficient grounds to prosecute they can sign a warrant... but thanks to the design of FISA, secrecy, arguments from plausibility, and politics those opinions may be more cynical than laudable.
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After a charge, there is usually a hearing to see if there is a case to answer before it goes to trial. I have faith in the justice system and I trust that Assange will win at the end of the day.

Fair comment.
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The latest moves in this game - removal from the Ecuadorian embassy and arrest by the U. K. to serve jail time (50 weeks) puts Assange between the UK and USA players as a marker held by the UK. He was re-arrested on behalf of the USA on a conspiracy charge but currently held on the bail matter. The move to make public comment about his poor health was also not a surprise.

At the end of the day, Ms. Manning is in jail again.
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His problem is that he has no faith in the system.
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After a charge, there is usually a hearing to see if there is a case to answer before it goes to trial. I have faith in the justice system and I trust that Assange will win at the end of the day.


You trust that Assange will win because he is innocent? He's clearly dirty as hell, holed up in the Ecuadorian embassy hiding from justice for years.
He's not being extradition fought-over by three countries just because he's an a-hole.
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It is not hard to see why Assange has been framed: his organization helped to expose a wide array of Deep State crimes, ranging from illegal gunrunning and war crimes to subversion and even perversion among elites. Reasonable juries take such things into account when deciding whether there is reasonable doubt.
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On May 30, 2019, tommy wrote:
After a charge, there is usually a hearing to see if there is a case to answer before it goes to trial. I have faith in the justice system and I trust that Assange will win at the end of the day.


You trust that Assange will win because he is innocent? He's clearly dirty as hell, holed up in the Ecuadorian embassy hiding from justice for years.
He's not being extradition fought-over by three countries just because he's an a-hole.


Holed up? He was an asylum seeking guest. Justice? Whose justice?

Dirty? Do you imagine he was brokering hacking resources? That's a different business. Here's a little info on that affair: https://wikileaks.org/vault7/#Protego

Kindly recall the fate of that reporter who got taken out of a hotel and dismembered.
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When the elite perverts pervert the course of justice to prosecute journalists for publishing their classified perversions, classify that and call it secret, then are we allowed to mention it in secret sessions may we ask?
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Only after you publish at least 50 real news stories. Most journalists are stenographers for power.
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Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cehh70jAl_8
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For two weeks??? And they won't peek? Guess that's a hint that their third party consultants have two weeks to produce sufficient evidence to make a case?
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Mind-boggling. Authorities may tamper with evidence legally.

""I'm still staggered by the power of this warrant. It allows the AFP [Australian Federal Police] to 'add, copy, delete or alter' material in the ABC's {Australian Broadcasting Corporation] computers," tweeted John Lyons, executive editor of news and head of investigative journalism at the Australian Broadcasting Corporation (ABC)....

The AFP said the warrant was "in relation to allegations of publishing classified material"

https://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/view......t=140#10
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That takes me back.
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Actually, the warrant doesn't allow Australian Federal Police to tamper with evidence found on a target's computer; it allows AFP conducting clandestine hacking of a target's computer to alter certain code (data) in the target's computer to effectuate the hacking and hide their tracks (conceal their electronic footprint), to leave the target unawares that the warrant-sanctioned hacking is occurring. That is what the "add, copy, delete, or alter" language of the warrant pertains to (it tracks the language of the legislation that provides for it).

Not saying it's a good or bad provision of the pertinent legislation, just that it doesn't do what was implied (thank goodness).
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to effectuate the hacking and hide their tracks (conceal their electronic footprint),


Then how does one know that data wasn't altered? It's basically a license to plant evidence.
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So let's say they installed "GoodGuy(tm)" spyware... and now interested hackers check the altered wiring, routers and computers to start reverse engineering the tools... ... a few months from now it's in the wild and source code starts showing up Smile

Here's some good news - check the guy's Twitter: https://twitter.com/TheLyonsDen
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to effectuate the hacking and hide their tracks (conceal their electronic footprint),


Then how does one know that data wasn't altered? It's basically a license to plant evidence.


Who are we to tell sorbet sovereign nation how to do things? I think your policy of minding our own business applies.

Also it sort of assumes wrong doing without proof. Another no no isn't it?
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I am not an Australian citizen (except by marriage). I obviously have no individual power to change Australian free speech policy; all I can do is say what I think is just and what I think is not just.

Australia is an ally (particularly when it comes to surveillance matters [see Five Eyes]), and supposedly a democracy. If there is no Australian and American domestic and worldwide outcry against such practices in that supposed democracy, then it paves the way to other supposed democracies to do the same. Fortunately, best I can tell, there has been an international response.

As to assuming wrong without proof-- I'm a bit surprised at your comment. You well know that that is exactly what our form of government is supposed to be designed to prevent: we assume there might be bad actors in the government, so we have checks, balances, and regulations to restrain possible abuses of power.
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Who are we to tell sorbet sovereign nation how to do things?

? well we might not have installed any monarchies but our National Interests have had great influence with governments of other places for a while.

Cue the Tom Leherer song "Send the Marines".
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On Jun 7, 2019, landmark wrote:
I am not an Australian citizen (except by marriage). I obviously have no individual power to change Australian free speech policy; all I can do is say what I think is just and what I think is not just.

Australia is an ally (particularly when it comes to surveillance matters [see Five Eyes]), and supposedly a democracy. If there is no Australian and American domestic and worldwide outcry against such practices in that supposed democracy, then it paves the way to other supposed democracies to do the same. Fortunately, best I can tell, there has been an international response.

As to assuming wrong without proof-- I'm a bit surprised at your comment. You well know that that is exactly what our form of government is supposed to be designed to prevent: we assume there might be bad actors in the government, so we have checks, balances, and regulations to restrain possible abuses of power.


So change what toy think needs changing and decry other things that are changed. Not so consistent as you usually are.
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