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When the people of the USA and North Korea speak under constant scrutiny and threat of punishment, the way I see it is, what’s the difference?
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If you want cynical Smile : much more bread, larger circuses, the illusion of free will, diversity, brand identification, and choice.... and no immediate military threats to the north, south and just offshore.
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When the people of the USA and North Korea speak under constant scrutiny and threat of punishment, the way I see it is, what’s the difference?


USA scrutiny is angry anonymous tweets.
N Korean scrutiny ends in death or imprisonment. Maybe a flogging.
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When the people of the USA and North Korea speak under constant scrutiny and threat of punishment, the way I see it is, what’s the difference?


USA scrutiny is angry anonymous tweets.
N Korean scrutiny ends in death or imprisonment. Maybe a flogging.

Yea... this.
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“My most urgent concern is that, in the United States, Mr. Assange would be exposed to a real risk of serious violations of his human rights, including his freedom of expression, his right to a fair trial and the prohibition of torture and other cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment,” said Nils Melzer, the UN Special Rapporteur on torture.
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“My most urgent concern is that, in the United States, Mr. Assange would be exposed to a real risk of serious violations of his human rights, including his freedom of expression, his right to a fair trial and the prohibition of torture and other cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment,” said Nils Melzer, the UN Special Rapporteur on torture.


If Assange is extradited to the United States he will receive the fairest trial possible in the world, and if convicted will be allowed to express himself freely in prison for as long as he was sentenced for his crimes. The food is probably not that great.
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Thank you for the link.
Assange is just an investigative journalist forced to hide in an embassy where he never felt completely welcome, while the press and social media harangued him.
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Https://www.theguardian.com/world/2010/a......q-attack

Among the dead was a 22-year-old Reuters photographer. Did he receive the fairest trial possible in the world?
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War is terrible and Collateral damage is an ugly reality. Pretty sure nobody will argue those points. But there is still a wide chasm between investigative-journalism and accessing/stealing/disseminating or conspiring to release/sell/distribute a nations classified information.


Wikileaks director Julian Assange said his organisation had to break through encryption by the military to view it.
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Not the press but Governments applying both diplomatic pressure and media abuse wink wink applied by eager do-gooders out to demonstrate their loyalties. The dogs of war.
There's a difference between stating your argument about a matter and inciting others to express hostilities. Compare and contrast those three linked dialogues.

Unfortunately the pedo case is not a distraction. It clearly illustrates how social media are used by "agents". But my point in that instance was to prove a larger context. Why would someone believe that a parent would seek strangers for that stated purpose unless there were a significant context of such parents doing just that very thing? Smile Smile Think back to narcs among the pot dealers. Of course one could also argue that all such illicit providers are agents but that's's an unfair comparison to the British providing opium to the masses in imperial China ( 1800s).

Nice distractions from the OP and that writers work teaching how to face and defuse bullying. Feigning ignorance and presenting a disingenuous voice to social dialogue still works. So, want to discuss how well his approach works? Smile
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Wikileaks director Julian Assange said his organisation had to break through encryption by the military to view it.

Link to that statement, please. Was it him, his staff, or his sources who .., cute .,, "encryption by the military" .., too vague. AVI, WMV, asf, pretty much all video must be interpreted by a CODEC to be viewed. Nice try. Smile
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There is a difference between collateral damage and a war crime. Why would anybody want to cover up collateral damage by encrypting it and sweeping it under the carpet and then prosecute anybody who exposes it?
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Wikileaks director Julian Assange said his organisation had to break through encryption by the military to view it.

Link to that statement, please. Was it him, his staff, or his sources who .., cute .,, "encryption by the military" .., too vague. AVI, WMV, asf, pretty much all video must be interpreted by a CODEC to be viewed. Nice try. Smile


The quote is from the previous article posted about the Reuters photographer. The same article with the helicopter footage of a guy peeking around a building with a bazooka on his shoulder...that apparently may have been a telephoto lens.
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There is a difference between collateral damage and a war crime. Why would anybody want to cover up collateral damage by encrypting it and sweeping it under the carpet and then prosecute anybody who exposes it?


I assume war footage is never made public. It certainty wouldn't benefit any nation to publish it.
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Smile War is the greatest show on Earth. As an aside it is quite interesting how it works:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_correspondent
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Thank you. The claim about encryption is in the Guardian article and not a quote. The source article page on wikileaks attributes the video to whistleblowers in the military. The Guardian article also mentions our CIA and attempted coverups including further defiling the slain to remove bullets traceable to US weapons.
https://collateralmurder.wikileaks.org/
Since the password and encryption notions have been presented in charges - is there mention in that article of wikileaks directly accessing secured military sites to acquire information? Hacking ( electronic analog of lockpocking across the internet ) is not protected journalism. Again thanks.
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:) War is the greatest show on Earth. As an aside it is quite interesting how it works:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_correspondent


Understood there's some market for violence porn. Kinda obvious where the gore/confirmed hit reveal shots fit in that model. Remember Videodrome?

Transmitting realtime data from a military action almost certainly undermines strategy to acquire control over the territory. What then of the free press who happen to work for those we call enemies? Does their coverage of our action as viewed by their reporters become something other than journalism?

What about witnessed violations of rules of engagement or the Geneva Convention? Fair game for live coverage? Whistleblowing? I dunno..
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I don't know where the Guardian got their quote, but they are a respected news source. I only quoted the allegation because it's a serious crime well beyond the scope of journalism.
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It is a *duty* to report war crimes. Those who cover them up with classification systems are still war criminals. Those who lie about the reasons for war--remember WMDs and yellowcake?--and send young men to die for those lies are criminals and murderers. No amount of hiding behind a wall of secrecy changes that. Whether you choose to open your eyes or close them, they are still criminals.
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