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Historical note

The concept of war crimes is a recent one. Before World War II, it was generally accepted that the horrors of war were part of the nature of war, and recorded examples of war crimes go back to Greek and Roman times.

Before the twentieth century armies frequently behaved brutally to enemy soldiers and non-combatants alike - and whether there was any punishment for this depended on who eventually won the war.

Commanders and politicians usually escaped any punishment for their role in war - or, if they lost, were summarily executed or imprisoned.

There was no structured approach to dealing with 'war crimes' nor any general agreement that political and military leaders should take criminal responsibility for the acts of their states or their troops.

Attitudes changed during World War II when the murder of several million people - mainly Jews - by Nazi Germany, and the mistreatment of both civilians and prisoners of war by the Japanese, prompted the Allied powers to prosecute the people they believed to be the perpetrators of these crimes.

These trials provide the main precedents for cases being heard by tribunals in this century, among them the International Criminal Tribunal for the Former Yugoslavia (ICTY) in The Hague.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/ethics/war/overview/crimes_1.shtml
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Equating espionage to presenting evidence of war crimes ... looks odd.
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Correct. I'm also judging him on many different levels.


Assange has already been judged, by those more qualified (both academically and by virtue of having access to the evidence) via the Swedish legal system. A Swedish judge threw out the charges and Assange was acquitted, his reputation intact. One particularly telling piece of evidence in Assange's favour was a picture of him in a group photo with colleagues, this was 3 weeks after the alleged rape, and right there, next to Assange, all laughing and bubbly was the woman he is supposed to have raped.

These malicious charges have only been resurrected due to pressure from the Americans who don't like people who reveal their dirty secrets.

Assange volunteered to be interviewed by Swedish investigators at the Ecuadorean embassy but they refused, for some strange reason they would only interview him in Sweden (does this not speak volumes about the seriousness, or lack thereof, of the charges?). They wanted him in Sweden because if Assange had been stupid enough to comply he would have found himself extradited to the USA faster than you can say Hilary is a criminal.
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Https://www.theguardian.com/media/2019/j......on-order

Do you think they're gonna put Assange vs Manning into a pie fight?
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On May 13, 2019, magicfish wrote:
Correct. I'm also judging him on many different levels.


Assange has already been judged, by those more qualified (both academically and by virtue of having access to the evidence) via the Swedish legal system. A Swedish judge threw out the charges and Assange was acquitted, his reputation intact. One particularly telling piece of evidence in Assange's favour was a picture of him in a group photo with colleagues, this was 3 weeks after the alleged rape, and right there, next to Assange, all laughing and bubbly was the woman he is supposed to have raped.

These malicious charges have only been resurrected due to pressure from the Americans who don't like people who reveal their dirty secrets.

Assange volunteered to be interviewed by Swedish investigators at the Ecuadorean embassy but they refused, for some strange reason they would only interview him in Sweden (does this not speak volumes about the seriousness, or lack thereof, of the charges?). They wanted him in Sweden because if Assange had been stupid enough to comply he would have found himself extradited to the USA faster than you can say Hilary is a criminal.

Stupid enough to comply?
He didn't comply because he is hiding, , and Maneouvering, ducking us.
Turning oneself in to authorities isn't stupid, it's lawful.
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Turning oneself in to authorities isn't stupid, it's lawful.



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The American Court of Human Rights does not agree with him.
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Turning oneself in to authorities isn't stupid, it's lawful.



History may disagree with you...

So might Wayne Adam Ford.
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Yeah... he turned himself in because it was lawful...
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Equating espionage to presenting evidence of war crimes ... looks odd.

I agree ... That helicopter video is gruesome... 2 dead reporters...
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On Jun 14, 2019, magicfish wrote:

Turning oneself in to authorities isn't stupid, it's lawful.



History may disagree with you...


Wise words.
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On Jun 13, 2019, art85y wrote:
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On May 13, 2019, magicfish wrote:
Correct. I'm also judging him on many different levels.


Assange has already been judged, by those more qualified (both academically and by virtue of having access to the evidence) via the Swedish legal system. A Swedish judge threw out the charges and Assange was acquitted, his reputation intact. One particularly telling piece of evidence in Assange's favour was a picture of him in a group photo with colleagues, this was 3 weeks after the alleged rape, and right there, next to Assange, all laughing and bubbly was the woman he is supposed to have raped.

These malicious charges have only been resurrected due to pressure from the Americans who don't like people who reveal their dirty secrets.

Assange volunteered to be interviewed by Swedish investigators at the Ecuadorean embassy but they refused, for some strange reason they would only interview him in Sweden (does this not speak volumes about the seriousness, or lack thereof, of the charges?). They wanted him in Sweden because if Assange had been stupid enough to comply he would have found himself extradited to the USA faster than you can say Hilary is a criminal.

Stupid enough to comply?
He didn't comply because he is hiding, , and Maneouvering, ducking us.
Turning oneself in to authorities isn't stupid, it's lawful.


I see that you cherry which bits of my post to respond to, my points about the non-rape being totally ignored. This is a witch hunt, led by the Americans, nothing more.
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Yeah... he turned himself in because it was lawful...

Yeah... so would Assange..
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On Jun 14, 2019, magicfish wrote:
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On Jun 13, 2019, art85y wrote:
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On May 13, 2019, magicfish wrote:
Correct. I'm also judging him on many different levels.


Assange has already been judged, by those more qualified (both academically and by virtue of having access to the evidence) via the Swedish legal system. A Swedish judge threw out the charges and Assange was acquitted, his reputation intact. One particularly telling piece of evidence in Assange's favour was a picture of him in a group photo with colleagues, this was 3 weeks after the alleged rape, and right there, next to Assange, all laughing and bubbly was the woman he is supposed to have raped.

These malicious charges have only been resurrected due to pressure from the Americans who don't like people who reveal their dirty secrets.

Assange volunteered to be interviewed by Swedish investigators at the Ecuadorean embassy but they refused, for some strange reason they would only interview him in Sweden (does this not speak volumes about the seriousness, or lack thereof, of the charges?). They wanted him in Sweden because if Assange had been stupid enough to comply he would have found himself extradited to the USA faster than you can say Hilary is a criminal.

Stupid enough to comply?
He didn't comply because he is hiding, , and Maneouvering, ducking us.
Turning oneself in to authorities isn't stupid, it's lawful.


I see that you cherry which bits of my post to respond to, my points about the non-rape being totally ignored. This is a witch hunt, led by the Americans, nothing more.

Incorrect. Assange is suspected of committing serious crimes. The evidence is sufficient for the charge. Now he must be arrested to face trial.
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Yeah... he turned himself in because it was lawful...

Please cut and and paste where I said he turned himself in because it was lawful.
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Charging someone without evidence is a massive waste of money since it can never go to trial.

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/06/14/oil-tank......ran.html

Not when such waste of money is also an objective.
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The essential act of war is destruction, not necessarily of human lives, but of the products of human labour. War is a way of shattering to pieces, or pouring into the stratosphere, or sinking into the depths of the sea, materials which might otherwise be used to make the masses too comfortable, and hence, in the long run, too intelligent. Even when weapons of war are not actually destroyed, their manufacture is still a convenient way of expending labour power without producing anything that can be consumed.

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In the meantime, a former Icelandic minister has revealed that when he was in office the FBI had tried to frame Assange in Iceland and he had them thrown out of the country. Any evidence of that would taint the evidence against Assange. The USA regarded Wikileaks as an independent spy agency that had to be taken down by any means possible he said.

This sort of revelation, of course, destroys any trust in police evidence in the future and all convictions will now need to be reviewed.
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In the meantime, a former Icelandic minister has revealed that when he was in office the FBI had tried to frame Assange in Iceland and he had them thrown out of the country. Any evidence of that would taint the evidence against Assange. The USA regarded Wikileaks as an independent spy agency that had to be taken down by any means possible he said.

This sort of revelation, of course, destroys any trust in police evidence in the future and all convictions will now need to be reviewed.


Thanks for this info Tommy, I was not aware of this. More evidence that its an orchestrated, American led, witch hunt.
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I am sorry, I forget the link.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CmPQY7cXOIg


Well, yes but I think there has been an international war on journalism that has been going on for some time.
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