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Why is it outrageous?
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TomBoleware Inner circle Hattiesburg, Ms 3163 Posts |
Ron,
Please don’t tell me you know more about science than he does, simply because he is a defender of Christianity. For eight years Michael Guillen was an award-winning physics instructor at Harvard University. For fourteen years he was the Emmy-award-winning science correspondent for ABC News, appearing regularly on "Good Morning America," "20/20," "Nightline," and "World News Tonight." Dr. Guillen is the host of the History Channel series, "Where Did It Come From? Tom
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landmark Inner circle within a triangle 5194 Posts |
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“In other words, as in this week’s stunning image, there is an enormous black hole in our understanding of what’s truly out there.” True. Quote:
"the Word of God, which has never and will never change, not only is confirmed by science, but informs it." False. Science can neither confirm nor deny the existence of God, no matter what side of the argument you are on. That question is not in science's purview, it is not equipped to answer such questions. It's like trying to decide morality based on the multiplication tables. "Render unto Caesar," and so on...
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TomBoleware Inner circle Hattiesburg, Ms 3163 Posts |
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On Apr 13, 2019, landmark wrote: Quote:
"the Word of God, which has never and will never change, not only is confirmed by science, but informs it." Did he write that in the Black Whole Article? I didn't see it. Or did you go someplace else and get it? Tom
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S2000magician Inner circle Yorba Linda, CA 3465 Posts |
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On Apr 13, 2019, R.S. wrote: Science does have some huge gaps in understanding. And, to be fair, that image is pretty much just as he described: a paint-by-numbers of the stuff around a black hole. It's a super-duper high-tech paint-by-numbers to be sure, but it's still a paint-by-numbers. |
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landmark Inner circle within a triangle 5194 Posts |
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Did he write that in the Black Whole Article? I didn't see it. Or did you go someplace else and get it? His website. RS gave the url above. Personally, I don't think he said anything outrageous in the black hole article.
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TomBoleware Inner circle Hattiesburg, Ms 3163 Posts |
Oh ok Thanks.
Ron just likes to mix things together in order to discredit everything else said. The article was simply Michael Guillens take on the Black Hole thing, which I agree. It shouldn’t be confused with an actual photo. Tom
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magicfish Inner circle 7006 Posts |
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On Apr 13, 2019, landmark wrote: How do you know? |
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landmark Inner circle within a triangle 5194 Posts |
Because by definition, God is supernatural and science investigates natural phenomena. How much does God weigh?
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magicfish Inner circle 7006 Posts |
So you're saying that if a God arrived on earth and revealed himself to man today and began performing miracles or destroying the planet or explaining where black holes lead and allowed himself to be studied by scientists that they would have no interest and shoo him away and go back to their microscopes?
Somehow I doubt it. And any interest or scrutiny by science upon his, her, its arrival would render your statement false: "Science can neither confirm nor deny the existence of God, no matter what side of the argument you are on." What a preposterous statement. |
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landmark Inner circle within a triangle 5194 Posts |
How would they know those miracles weren't just rough and smooth?
Seriously, though, "allowed himself to be studied"? What would that even mean? How could man apprehend God in any sense of that word?
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magicfish Inner circle 7006 Posts |
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On Apr 13, 2019, landmark wrote: Why would anything need to be apprehended.? Scientists analyze data. They conduct experiments. They study things. Whether it be a a newly discovered Egyptian Mummy, a piece of space rock, continental drift, or a landed other worldly being, the scientific community would be interested and eager to study. How can you possibly say different? |
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magicfish Inner circle 7006 Posts |
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On Apr 13, 2019, landmark wrote: By whose definition? Primate scientists only study what is natural? Are you kidding? You mean to tell me if they encountered something supernatural they wouldn't study it? Come now Landmark. You're smarter than this. |
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landmark Inner circle within a triangle 5194 Posts |
I have faith that faith is the proper vehicle for apprehending God. As I said before, how much does God weigh? Shall we ask God to stand on our scales? I really have no idea what you could mean by studying God as if God were a Mummy or a piece of space rock. It seems to deny the existence of God with such a premise. The ineffable cannot be measured by the effable.
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magicfish Inner circle 7006 Posts |
That doesn't mean that human scientists would not attempt to study him or it should he make himself/itself known . To say they wouldn't is dishonest.
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magicfish Inner circle 7006 Posts |
Call a scientist and ask him/her that if a supernatural being arrived on earth would they study it and try to prove or disprove its "supernaturality". If the scientist says no I'll give you my next 500 paychecks. And my house.
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landmark Inner circle within a triangle 5194 Posts |
Did I say they wouldn't attempt to study God given your theoretical scenario? No.
I said that science is not the proper tool to uncover the existence of God. If a scientist comes to the conclusion that God exists, it is because of her faith, not something that can be proven--or disproven--through the scientific method.
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magicfish Inner circle 7006 Posts |
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On Apr 14, 2019, landmark wrote: Incorrect. If a supernatural being arrived on earth or revealed itself to man, and was studied by the scientific community, it is possible that the scientist could come to the conclusion without faith. And could certainly prove that the subject is not of this earth. |
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magicfish Inner circle 7006 Posts |
And why are you presuming that the scientist is female? He or she if you please. (Sorry, I'm kinda PC.)
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magicfish Inner circle 7006 Posts |
Landmark wrote:
"It's like trying to decide morality based on the multiplication tables." My Brothers and I do this on the third Monday of every month. |
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