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I will perform on a small stage this summer supporting some singers. Iam already practicing different productions and ideas from David Stoneīs video .I like it, my whole body has to misdirect.
Iam performing many years to small groups (not a proffesion) but Iam not used to stage and stand up. Can someone with more experience in bottle productions can help me in this.. which one of his productions are more suited for stand up and it is more angle proof? thanks guys
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I suggest you get the DVD "The Impromptu miracles of Bob Read, The lost footage, offered by L&L Publishing. He covers the bottle production extensively for close up and stage.

Check Penguin magic website, http://www.penguinmagic.com/p/S16699. This is the download version, it is available in DVD as well on the website.

I am watching it now, and it is very good information. Bob talks about body stance and movement, and the reasons for them.

As for being angle proof, that has to do with you, Bob wears a double breasted men's jacket.

Bob invented the large bottle production in 1954, and perfected it and started to perform it in 1958.
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Thank you mr Hegbli! I have the Bob Reads download I will check it again.
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I have David Stone's bottle production.
I canít compare with the others because Iím not familiar with all of them but Stone's production is very good and the angles are good.
Unfortunately, I donít perform it because of my oversized belly. It helps to have a slim physique.
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FWIW:
I used the method that was delivered with the splash bottle gimmick in a parlor setting

I initially produced an empty wine glass (as in Wilson's Complete Course in Magic).. on seeing it empty, I gave it to a seated spectator and proceeded to produce the bottle of liquid. Then poured myself a drink.

It seemed to go over fine.

John
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Bill's recommendation is spot on in terms of learning proper body movements for the bottle production. Even using the "Splash" holder the choreography that Bob teaches improves the handling. David Stone's handling is similar to Bob Read's and I believe David used Bob's ideas to polish his own routine (a great routine that is more than a bottle production). Brilliant misdirection is built in with both productions.

As John says the method/handling that comes in the instructions with the "Splash Bottle" set-up works even in a fairly close-up (2-meter) venue.

The Splash Bottle production is pretty much angle proof on stage and platform. Honestly, I'd say it was a good place to start (and maybe finish).

By the way Ihop, I am a portly, older fellow (read old fat guy) and I find that the Splash holder gives me a big assist in performing a bottle production. I load further back and use smaller bottles. I produce full (and opened) beer bottles or the smaller thinner wine bottles.

As an aside, I've actually used a dove pocket to hold out the bottle and produced it a la' dove. That was an idea I got from a discussion with Silvano about 4 decades ago. It works too and is also pretty angle proof.
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Harry Murphy thank you so much for your help Smile
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Anyone who has problems with the stability of the gimmick? It fits perfecrly to D. Stone, but to me its moving and creates a bump . Im thinking to change the method to Bob Readīs method...Any help?
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It makes a bump in either method. Stone addresses how he hides the bump on one of his DVDs. Bob Read pretty much uses the same ploy to minimize the bump. I'm portly so I load more from the side and with an unbuttoned jacket and relaxed arms it hasn't been much of a difficult technique and the bump is well hidden.
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I agree with Harry. Years ago, I opened with a production of a"snifter'"glass of brandy from a devil hank, and followed it with an open beer bottle (ala Rob Read) when doing a club date. (Especially with an all male audience.) (I used a "no sag" devil hank.)

After the beer bottle, I turned to a 3rd spectator. "Do you drink sir?" When he said, "Yes." I handed him a couple of straws! It always got a nice laugh!
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On Apr 22, 2019, Harry Murphy wrote:
Bill's recommendation is spot on in terms of learning proper body movements for the bottle production. Even using the "Splash" holder the choreography that Bob teaches improves the handling. David Stone's handling is similar to Bob Read's and I believe David used Bob's ideas to polish his own routine (a great routine that is more than a bottle production). Brilliant misdirection is built in with both productions.

As John says the method/handling that comes in the instructions with the "Splash Bottle" set-up works even in a fairly close-up (2-meter) venue.

The Splash Bottle production is pretty much angle proof on stage and platform. Honestly, I'd say it was a good place to start (and maybe finish).

By the way Ihop, I am a portly, older fellow (read old fat guy) and I find that the Splash holder gives me a big assist in performing a bottle production. I load further back and use smaller bottles. I produce full (and opened) beer bottles or the smaller thinner wine bottles.

As an aside, I've actually used a dove pocket to hold out the bottle and produced it a la' dove. That was an idea I got from a discussion with Silvano about 4 decades ago. It works too and is also pretty angle proof.


Harry,
Sorry for the long time replying.
I have a gig coming up and am revisiting the wine threads.
I am also an old fat guy but the problem is I am in denial.
Being an athlete most of my life, I havenít bought fat size clothes and everything is tight on me.
I keep on saying to myself that I will get back in shape.
Iíve been saying that for 15 years. Lol
Perhaps thatís the problem.
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Ihop, I've got the same problem. went form a muscular and fit athletic to a portly old man. My answer has always been to treat my costume as am important prop and I make sure they are proper fitting and tailored for the specific routines I perform in them. I've had a Monk Watson type of vest made that holds coils or rope for a rope stretching routine. Monk was using the vest before billy McComb developed his leather holder of the same nature.

Proper fitting clothing is actually slimming (a bit) tight clothes emphasizes the portliness much in the same way that a comb over emphasizes baldness.
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A few years ago, David Stone took a lecture tour of the U.S. He included our city. We watched his effects for the 1st half of the event. Then he produced a huge bottle. So that means we all watched him all the time with the bottle set up on his person. Proving it is your feeling of insecurity is what has to be mastered.

Sure he was a thin guy at the time, but that bottle did not have any tell tail signs of being present. We all were waiting for the production, and we were all shocked and surprised. So study Bob Reeds advice at the end of his DVD, he covers everything you need to know to perform a surprising production of a huge bottle in detail.
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On Apr 21, 2019, John Long wrote:
FWIW:
I used the method that was delivered with the splash bottle gimmick in a parlor setting

I initially produced an empty wine glass (as in Wilson's Complete Course in Magic).. on seeing it empty, I gave it to a seated spectator and proceeded to produce the bottle of liquid. Then poured myself a drink.

It seemed to go over fine.

John

Hello John,
How are you?
Iím hosting a dinner party next month and would like to perform Splash 2.0
Along with Goldfish from dollar bill and Exquisite wine glass levitation
Iím having a problem flashing the bottle as I remove it from the gimmick.
Itís a combination of using the proper finger grip and where to place the napkin during the removal, gimmick placement.
I tried different grips and napkin placement but the bottle flashes as I remove it.
I watched the section on Stone's DVD 6 times.
I played with Splash before but stopped because of the same problem.
Iím willing to put in the work but I want to make sure Iím not spinning my wheels in the wrong direction.
Iím willing to try other methods if it helps.
Any pointers would be appreciated.
Thanks,
Ihor
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Many years ago I was at a convention Midnight Madness lecture event. Michael Amman was lecturing and did a bottle production. He also held it toward the end of a short set of effects. As he went to explain it there was an interrupting comment from the back of the room ďWhy donít you leave that for the originator to teach!Ē Everyone turned and it was none other than Bob Read himself, waiting to go on to lecture next. The room AND Michael burst into laughter!
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I use a balloon when I do Splash - I think that was in the instructions. The balloon is perfect cover, holding the balloon between the first two fingers you can push your jacket back and grip the bottle with your first finger and thumb. The shiny sharp object over your head provides misdirection - you simply bring your two hands together in front of you, popping the balloon and displaying the bottle.
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