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Bob G
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Hi Magicians,


In another thread I asked about how to handle the EC in a way that was easy on my previously injured wrists and forearms. This question is a continuation, but with a new emphasis that I think justifies a new thread.



I've been practicing the Elmsley count with the packet starting in the left hand, then switched to the right hand while to top card is peeled back into the left hand. I know that this handling is controversial, but that issue has been well-plumbed and isn't what my question is about.



I'm making good progress on doing this style of the count with the cards pinch-gripped in the right hand, with the "pinch" at the lower right corner of the right-hand packet. But there's a variation in which one "pinches" closer to the middle of the long right side of the cards. From my experiments, I think this would be easier on my wrists. The variation is described by Giobbi (CC3, p. 311), and by Liam Montier in his Elmsley Count Project disks.



But here's my problem: when I use my left hand to pull off the top card during Beat 1, the position of the cards doesn't look like what Giobbi shows in his diagrams. In his diagrams the top card gets tilted slightly, and, in the process, the entire top card slides somewhat to the left of the right side of the next-to-top card, leaving room for the thumb and the index and middle fingers to grasp the latter card. In contrast, when I try the same thing,the bottom of the top card rotates counter-clockwise, well out to the right of the next-to-top card, thus making it impossible for me to grasp the latter card in the middle of its right long side.


I've tried all kinds of variations of hand positions, and the only thing that works is to turn the top card about 45 degrees counter-clockwise: the space in the middle of the second card then opens up for me to grasp it. I guess I *could* do that, but I worry that it would look strange and suspicious to spectators to rotate the top card so far -- ironic, because the secret move doesn't occur on Beat 1 !.



I don't know why this is happening -- perhaps something about the size and shape of my hands?? Anyway, I'd welcome any ideas that would help me solve this problem.



Thanks as always,


Bob
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Bob,

It looks like you’re unintentionally pushing out the top card out instead of just pulling it backwards.

Here’s something you could try to have a feel for this move.

Hold the packet in left hand but hold it only between the 2nd finger on the outer right corner and base of the thumb on the left inner corner. It’s a position similar to a dealing grip where only the palm and the 2nd hold the packet by putting (light) pressure across the diagonal.

Now use your thumb to push out the top card making sure it pivots on (and keeps contact with) the base of your thumb. This is in essence the action of dealing a card. Now your thumb reverses the direction and brings back the card to alignment and keep on pulling back to discover the long edge of the 2nd card, as in Giobbi’s drawing.

Keep doing this back and forth action until you feel comfortable.

If you manage to do that, then hopefully you should be able to transfer this feeling to your EC.
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Claudio,


I'm pretty sure you've hit the nail on the head. Let me try what you suggest (and I like the practice drill), and I'll let you now how it goes.


Thanks as always,


Bob
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Hi again, Claudio,


A heartfelt thanks for taking the time to reply to my question. By following your instructions I was able to fix the problem. I still need to practice more, but I really feel that I'm on my way now. It would never have occurred to me to use the middle finger instead of the index finger.



The funny thing is that the videos you made for me a while ago show exactly what you described. When I first watched them I just didn't understand what was going on. I watched them again with your verbal directions in mind, and I could see that that's exactly what you were showing me!



I've been excited about magic for the whole three years (nearly) that I've been studying it seriously, but my excitement is becoming more practical and focused, partly because of your comments in another thread about Faulty Followers, and partly because of your help with sleights such as the EC.



Best Regards,



Bob
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P. S. I think that by holding the cards in the middle of the right edge instead of what I had been doing -- holding them at the lower right corner -- will help with the tendinitis problem. (I. e., holding with the right hand.)
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Hi Bob,

It was my pleasure and I’m glad to hear you’re progressing well with your EC and your magic in general.

If I can be of any further help, let me know.
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