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tenchu Inner circle Europe 1117 Posts |
Barts185 - you are absolutely right about the differences between the ranks. "Selling" the royal flush as a straight/flush isn't the best thing in the world, so you need to take the full advantage of the fact that the spectator picks the cards, not the performer.
The wording I used previously isn't perfect, so let's try again. I'm not a native speaker, so your suggestions are more than welcome! So, someone names a flush. You check the cards, act surprised and jokingly say, "Wow! You're such a show off! Not only you somehow found a flush - it's a royal one! You don't take chances, don't you?" Saying that, I have a few ways to handle the cards that deal with the straight/flush situation perfectly, but they are slightly advanced. Card Shark's motto is "simply amazing, amazingly simple" so let's stick to that Mike PS. Mark Chandaue suggested a clever ruse to name one of the ranks so it should be ruled out. That's cool, but having a small amount of hands to pick from, this might not be the perfect option, at least for me. |
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Chris K Inner circle 2544 Posts |
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On Apr 30, 2019, Mark_Chandaue wrote: I disagree. Basic set analysis can be applied here. A straight flush is a subset of flushes as well as a subset of straights. The Venn diagrams are crystal clear. You can consider a royal flush to be neither a straight nor a flush and you’d be wrong both ways. Or, if I’m wrong, show me a Venn diagram illustrating it and I’ll admit it. |
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Mark_Chandaue Inner circle Essex UK 4187 Posts |
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On May 3, 2019, Lemniscate wrote: I don’t see myself ever asking my audiences to engage in basic set analysis or study Venn diagrams. In the rules of poker there is a clear distinction between a straight, a flush and a straight flush. The straight flush is excluded from both the straight and the flush and so is not a subset of either. Anyone who plays Poker knows this or should know it and Poker is growing in popularity. To quote the rules of poker: A flush is a hand that contains five cards all of the same suit, not all of sequential rank. It ranks below a full house and above a straight. A straight is a hand that contains five cards in sequential rank, not all of the same suit. It ranks below a flush and above 3 of a kind. Therefore a straight flush cannot be a straight by definition of the fact that a straight cannot be all of the same suit, nor can it be a flush because a flush cannot be all in a sequential rank. It is excluded from both the straight and flush rather than being a subset of either as far as poker is concerned. So as I said, as a poker player I would consider a straight flush just as big a miss if I asked for a straight as I would four of a kind if I had asked for 2 of a kind and I don’t think the performer pulling out a Venn diagram to show that a pair is a subset of 4 of a kind would change my mind or enhance my opinion of the performer. Mark |
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tenchu Inner circle Europe 1117 Posts |
Although I like Venn diagrams, let's stick to the official rules of poker
After you'll perform this trick numerous times (like I did), you will see that the most popular hands are a full house, then a four of a kind/royal flush. So, you will have to rely on verbal trickery very, very rarely. Mike PS. I discussed the straight/flush situation with my friends, and one of them said that "someone who is that doctrinaire about poker rules is no fun" |
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videoman Inner circle 6732 Posts |
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On May 3, 2019, tenchu wrote: I agree with your friend. This is a magic trick, not World Series of Poker. You're supposed to have fun with it and allow your spectators to have fun too. I think these exact definitions are missing the point of the effect, and if you're friends are going to chastise you for "getting it wrong" then either don't do any magic for these friends or certainly choose something else to do. I would suggest perhaps sponge bunnies. There are a million things you can say to have fun with your supposedly wrong answer and make sure everyone has a good time and is entertained. Besides that isn't even going to be an issue very often anyway. All these poker hand proper definitions are diverting attention away from what a great effect this can be. I mean Venn diagrams for crying out loud, has it really come to that???? If you are a serious hardcore poker player or you know someone who is then this may be the right effect for you or them. I have the opposite problem. I don't think I know anyone who could name a poker hand, and I'm not kidding at all. |
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Mark_Chandaue Inner circle Essex UK 4187 Posts |
Some of us don’t perform for friends and at a paying gig you don’t get to choose your audience. Personally I would just rule out a straight and a flush by using them as examples to avoid the miss, there are plenty of others to go for and as the participant chooses the cards you still have a great effect.
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tenchu Inner circle Europe 1117 Posts |
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On May 4, 2019, Mark_Chandaue wrote: Sure! You can do that and it should play just fine. Mike |
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tenchu Inner circle Europe 1117 Posts |
Good news, everyone!
After numerous performances and tweaks, I have finally written down my absolute favorite routine that squeezes all of the juices from the Polish Poker set. It starts as an incredibly impressive feat of riffle stacking, but you top that showing something that borders on the supernatural... And it's SUPER easy! Practically self-working. This will satisfy (and fool) even the hardcore poker players out there. There's no straight/flush compromise. You'll love it. Stay tuned! Mike |
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barts185 Inner circle Can you believe I've been wrong on 1355 Posts |
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On May 6, 2019, tenchu wrote: Just checking since we're staying tuned. It's been 3 weeks. Any ETA? |
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tenchu Inner circle Europe 1117 Posts |
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On May 27, 2019, barts185 wrote: Sorry for the wait! As for now, this handling will be published, as a bonus, in my upcoming booklet (that will also function as lecture notes)! Mike |
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tenchu Inner circle Europe 1117 Posts |
Also, check out the newest review of Polish Poker by David (Magic Orthodoxy): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zyJ8kS-cT5Y
Mike |
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tenchu Inner circle Europe 1117 Posts |
As a long time fan, it's great to see Polish Poker on the Wizard Product Review!
Another great review! https://youtu.be/qQ_QwI1O2dU Mike |
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Vraagaard Inner circle Copenhagen, Denmark 1479 Posts |
The force of the five cards is a gem in itself. The effect is great as well. All in all a great trick, although a little to expensive for what you get.
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Magic KL Inner circle 2564 Posts |
Even the Chinese think Polish Poker is good. Haha~
https://youtu.be/Zr1ILsf3HmQ I like how they show a video in the corner of what you get with this effect. The summary at the end is very helpful too. |
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Magic KL Inner circle 2564 Posts |
Man, I really want this now. Are we going to have a Bicycle version?
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tenchu Inner circle Europe 1117 Posts |
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On Aug 31, 2019, Magic KL wrote: Soon... Mike |
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Magic KL Inner circle 2564 Posts |
Thank you!! That is great news~ I won't buy it now then. Will wait for the Bicycle version.
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videoman Inner circle 6732 Posts |
Don’t hold your breath. If Card Shark has the exclusive rights you won’t see a Bicycle version unless you can make it yourself.
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tenchu Inner circle Europe 1117 Posts |
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On Sep 3, 2019, videoman wrote: The cards are already printed, so... Mike |
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Magic KL Inner circle 2564 Posts |
Already printed!! Can't wait~
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