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On Apr 27, 2019, Dannydoyle wrote:
JoeJoe everyone is sad you have Crohn's disease. You keep INSISTING it is because you ate meat.

According to the Mayo Clinic that is NOT THE CAUSE! https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-cond......20353304


I myself have no doubts that my Crohn's comes from MAP bacteria found in cows milk that have Joules disease; the bacteria has been proven to be able to survive pasteurization and it is nearly identical to Crohn's disease in humans and there is genetic evidence that it is zoonotic.

National Institute of Health article titled "Mycobacterium paratuberculosis as a cause of Crohn's disease" - will you click links I post from your own government, or are they not a creditable source either?? Smile

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4894645/

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I believe magicfish and JoeJoe live in different countries. Probably not productive to talk as if there were no differences between the two countries' regulations.


That could explain the misunderstanding, here in America where I live virtually nobody is getting their food from a local farmer or butcher. People are being fed by corporations (ie: Burger King).

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I myself have no doubts that my Crohn's comes from MAP bacteria found in cows milk that have Joules disease.

If I recall correctly, you also have no doubts that whales and dolphins are not mammals.
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On Apr 27, 2019, JoeJoe wrote:
I myself have no doubts that my Crohn's comes from MAP bacteria found in cows milk that have Joules disease.

If I recall correctly, you also have no doubts that whales and dolphins are not mammals.


I could care less what you or your scientists define what a "mammal" is; I know a dolphin is a dolphin, a whale is a whale, and a human is a human.

So whatever fast-and-loose game you want to play with the definitions of words ... I will still have no doubts that I am not a dolphin nor a whale. Smile

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On Apr 27, 2019, JoeJoe wrote:
I myself have no doubts that my Crohn's comes from MAP bacteria found in cows milk that have Joules disease.

If I recall correctly, you also have no doubts that whales and dolphins are not mammals.

I could care less what you or your scientists define what a "mammal" is; I know a dolphin is a dolphin, a whale is a whale, and a human is a human.

So whatever fast-and-loose game you want to play with the definitions of words ... I will still have no doubts that I am not a dolphin nor a whale. Smile

I suspect that you mean that you couldn't care less.

And, of course, nobody said that you're a whale or a dolphin. But dolphins and whales are mammals, whether you care or not.

You really do need to lighten up. You'll give yourself an aneurysm.
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Naturally that aneurysm will be caused by diet.

JoeJoe what you believe is irrelevant. I think the Mayo Clinic is a pretty informed source. Your mileage may vary. After all their information came from books and all.
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I believe the link/article is talking about large processing plants and not the local (fresh) markets. Frozen beef and such..


I believe magicfish and JoeJoe live in different countries. Probably not productive to talk as if there were no differences between the two countries' regulations.

It doesn't matter. Beef through a grinder in a grocery store meat department in Ontario is the same as in the Carolinas.
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It doesn't matter. Beef through a grinder in a grocery store meat department in Ontario is the same as in the Carolinas.


Beef passed through a grinder at the Burger King factory farm is not going to be the same as beef passed through a grinder at a local Ontario butcher shop.

The Burger King factory farm is going to process it with chemicals the local butcher is not going to use.

Your belief that all beef is the same is false.

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And, of course, nobody said that you're a whale or a dolphin. But dolphins and whales are mammals, whether you care or not.


You just want to argue over the level of classification; it is a useless conversation.

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JoeJoe what you believe is irrelevant. I think the Mayo Clinic is a pretty informed source. Your mileage may vary. After all their information came from books and all.


Mayo Clinic?? Here ya go, doctor from Mayo Clinic talking about a paper they did titled "is meat killing us?".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bO08mOX7xAY

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Wonderful movement of the goal posts. Your disease is not caused by diet. Period.
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And, of course, nobody said that you're a whale or a dolphin. But dolphins and whales are mammals, whether you care or not.

You just want to argue over the level of classification; it is a useless conversation.

I don't want to argue over a level of classification.

I simply want to point out you sometimes you're quite certain of something that is completely, utterly, absurdly wrong.

In short: your certainty is no reliable gauge of truth.
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Wonderful movement of the goal posts. Your disease is not caused by diet. Period.


My doctors disagree with you ... I was told "there is nothing physically wrong with you". I have all their papers with their tests in a big manila envelope with that quote written in black magic marker on it.

They said exactly what the lady in the above video said, she is giving doctors advice on how to tell their patients to stop eating meat. Her approach is "baby steps" where if they can convince their patient to cut back their red meat consumption even a little is helpful. It was too late for me to take baby steps, I had to jump right into it.

The last five years of my life do not agree with you either; the avatar was taken after I went from 264 pounds to 131 pounds, a fifty-percent loss of body weight known medically as "wasting away syndrome", and this was while I was being prescribed the most powerful anti-nausea drugs available usually reserved for cancer chemotherapy patients.

Since changing my diet as suggested, I have not had to take any drugs to eat. I'll have a new picture soon, a more recent one. I am very much in great health again. Smile

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I simply want to point out you sometimes you're quite certain of something that is completely, utterly, absurdly wrong.


I'm not wrong ... if you want to say dolphins are "mammals" then fine, I still consider them "aquatic mammals" and are not the same as "land mammals" ... but both dolphins and humans can still also be just "mammals" too. You just want to twist what I say around until you can claim "you are right and I am wrong". I'm not playing a "word game" - there are no winners or losers, there is no right or wrong.

Animals are covered in fur, human beings are covered in skin. It is not that difficult of a concept to understand.

I am not an "animal", I am a "human being". Your lack of comprehension of my words does not make either one of us right or wrong.

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I simply want to point out you sometimes you're quite certain of something that is completely, utterly, absurdly wrong.

I'm not wrong ... if you want to say dolphins are "mammals" then fine, I still consider them "aquatic mammals" and are not the same as "land mammals" ... but both dolphins and humans can still also be just "mammals" too. You just want to twist what I say around until you can claim "you are right and I am wrong". I'm not playing a "word game" - there are no winners or losers, there is no right or wrong.

Animals are covered in fur, human beings are covered in skin. It is not that difficult of a concept to understand.

I am not an "animal", I am a "human being". Your lack of comprehension of my words does not make either one of us right or wrong.

There most definitely is a right and wrong, and it's clearly wrong to try to try to teach you what's right.

I apologize.
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It doesn't matter. Beef through a grinder in a grocery store meat department in Ontario is the same as in the Carolinas.


Beef passed through a grinder at the Burger King factory farm is not going to be the same as beef passed through a grinder at a local Ontario butcher shop.

The Burger King factory farm is going to process it with chemicals the local butcher is not going to use.

Your belief that all beef is the same is false.

-JoeJoe

So Americans don't buy their ground beef from grocery stores?
Hmmm, I didn't know Americans got all their homemade meatloaf, lasagna, shepherd's pie, chili, from their local Burger king.
Interesting. You either get your ground beef from burger king or you have to go to a farm? And since when are farmers butchers?
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It doesn't matter. Beef through a grinder in a grocery store meat department in Ontario is the same as in the Carolinas.


Beef passed through a grinder at the Burger King factory farm is not going to be the same as beef passed through a grinder at a local Ontario butcher shop.

The Burger King factory farm is going to process it with chemicals the local butcher is not going to use.

Your belief that all beef is the same is false.

-JoeJoe

So by Ontario butcher shop you mean Costco, Loblaws etc? Got it. Ok so my father's and my combined 63 years of butchering livestock, grinding meats, and food safety in both wholesale and retail environments is wrong, and you are right. Got it.
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Tenderness is a most desirable quality in meat among other things.

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I simply want to point out you sometimes you're quite certain of something that is completely, utterly, absurdly wrong.


I'm not wrong ... if you want to say dolphins are "mammals" then fine, I still consider them "aquatic mammals" and are not the same as "land mammals" ... but both dolphins and humans can still also be just "mammals" too. You just want to twist what I say around until you can claim "you are right and I am wrong". I'm not playing a "word game" - there are no winners or losers, there is no right or wrong.

Animals are covered in fur, human beings are covered in skin. It is not that difficult of a concept to understand.

I am not an "animal", I am a "human being". Your lack of comprehension of my words does not make either one of us right or wrong.

-JoeJOe


This has to be the most ridiculously uninformed post ever.

What may I ask is the fur of animals attached to exactly?

Reptiles have no skin? Fish have no skin?

You are the most unintentionally hilarious person I've ever read.
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JoeJoe—you missed my point. I believe that the BK’s across the states grill/will grill the impossible burger on the same grills as the meat patties. This would effectively negate a vegan choice at the fast food chain. Impossible burger is just that—impossible.
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