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MarkFarrar Veteran user U.S.A. 376 Posts |
According to Expert Card Technique, this trick was invented by a Frenchman called something (vaguely) like Aritini, but does anybody have any further information or corroborating / contradictory evidence for this?
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NeoMagic Inner circle I have... 2017 Posts |
Expert Card Technique: "... the trick having been invented by the Parisian prestidigitateur, Alberti, in the early part of the last century." (p.283)
And according to an eGroup post: "The trick actually dates back at least to Alberti, a French magician, who is said to have developed the idea in the early 1800's. The first written record of it appears to be Prof. Hoffmann's 1885 translation of Drawing Room Conjuring." Wesley James' research on the classic Four Burglars card plot (Gilles-Edme Guyot, 1740) submitted to the Magic Lineage Project states: "This classic plot is the forerunner to both the four Ace Assembly which began with Ponsin (1854) and the Ambitious Card plot, which began with Alberti (cc 1800)."
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Kjellstrom Inner circle Sweden, Scandinavia, Europe 5203 Posts |
Info about Johann Nepomuk HOFZINSER, June 19th 1806 - March 11th 1875:
http://www.magicchristian.com/hofzinser_en.html |
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racoon New user 53 Posts |
According to Lee Asher's DBD .pdf, English magician Richard Neve was the first to introduce the double lift into mainstream magic literature in a book called "The Merry Companion" (circa 1716.). He was also apparently the first person to publish the ambitious card plot.
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Yehuda Elite user 413 Posts |
The farthest back I know for ACR is its the "trick that fooled Houdini"
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Daegs Inner circle USA 4291 Posts |
People are quoting 1716 and early 1800's..... I think vernon/houdini are a bit recent for this effect
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sleeperz New user Brooklyn of NEW YORK 12 Posts |
I only know dai vernon use this trick fool houdini
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Ben Train Inner circle Erdnase never had 4639 Posts |
I don't remember Neve mentioning an ambitious card sequence, other then possibly a one phase sequence. I do recall the description of the double though, and yes, it is the first to have published it (at least, that I have found).
Pretty seminal book all things considered! Ben p.s. Speaking of AC sequences, anyone have idea how to position the card THIRD from the top WITHOUT a tilt, shuffle/cut, or bluff shift? I'm using a tilt now, but I want to eliminate it. Thanks!
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Garrett Loyal user Missouri 258 Posts |
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On 2008-10-14 14:45, Ben Train wrote: You could do a secret one-handed double turnover (using your leg or whatever) prior to putting the selection on top; similar to what Oz does on Born to Perform. Though I'm guessing that's not exactly what you're looking for either... |
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Jonathan P. Inner circle Belgium 1484 Posts |
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On 2008-10-14 14:45, Ben Train wrote: I sometimes have the card replaced in the spreaded deck: when closing the spread, I catch a break two cards above it and pass. If you do it face up, since the card can be seen, you can turnover pass while turning the deck face down. |
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Garrett Loyal user Missouri 258 Posts |
By the way, Hollingworth in DRD mentions that he feels like using your leg to secretly turn over cards with the hand holding the deck is an underrated and under-used move. For what it's worth...
Jonathan, After you pass the card to the third position from the top, do you then do a triple lift and show your first reveal? Or how does the effect proceed from there? |
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acchessor Elite user Nebraska 402 Posts |
Maybe when you hand a half of the deck to the spectator to place their card on top, you get a break over the bottom two cards while holding the other half in Biddle grip, regain the break with the pinky when placing the deck back together and then doing a pass to get it third from the top.
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pepka Inner circle Uh, I'm the one on the right. 5041 Posts |
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On 2007-04-20 01:24, YRauch wrote: In writings by David Ben and a video by Cervon we see that the Trick that Fooled Houdini was not really as impressive as most standard ACRs. Ben describes it as the card was CLEARLY placed 2nd from top, and then shown to be the top card. Does anyone know at what point Vernon combined The Depth Illusion with the DB gaff used in The Trick that Fooled Houdini? |
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organicmagician Veteran user USA 345 Posts |
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On 2008-10-14 14:45, Ben Train wrote: I've thought about this, too. This has come up where I want to extend the routine a bit spontaneously and I'll usually palm off a card or two, then add them back when square up the deck. |
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Ben Train Inner circle Erdnase never had 4639 Posts |
When one looks at any art, or historical event, we must also be aware of context. Imagine the following-
Using a normal deck, I have you sign a card. I place the card second from the top. With no moves the card is back on top- no double, no duplicate, no nothing. Would you be fooled? I know I would. That said, that's EXACTLY what happened to Houdini. The Double, especially the way Vernon did it, wasn't a well known or commonly used move (think of one of those underground moves that killed you at a convention) and if I recall there was a gaff, that although had been invented about a 100 years earlier, was STILL fairly unknown. Sure, we can SAY the trick isn't amazing by OUR standards, but it's all about context. If someone did it to me, and I wasn't aware of the sleights or gaffs involved, I would be DESTROYED. Ben
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Ben Train Inner circle Erdnase never had 4639 Posts |
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On 2008-10-14 20:12, organicmagician wrote: For anyone that cares (which I doubt, lol)- I am currently using a phase from a different handling I had earlier abandoned. It can be found (between the lines) in both David Ben's treaty of the plot and Vernon's in SoM. All the best, Ben
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wsduncan Inner circle Seattle, WA 3619 Posts |
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On 2008-10-14 14:45, Ben Train wrote: Ron Bauer's Screened Leipzig Pass. |
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konjurer Veteran user Iowa 395 Posts |
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Speaking of AC sequences, anyone have idea how to position the card THIRD from the top WITHOUT a tilt, shuffle/cut, or bluff shift? I'm using a tilt now, but I want to eliminate it. Thanks! Fan the deck and have the spec place the card in the middle (doesn't get any fairer that that). As you square the deck catch a break two cards above the signed card. Misdirect and do your favorite pass. Tommy Wonder does something similar in his routine to get the card 3rd from the top face up. Killer routine.
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Ben Train Inner circle Erdnase never had 4639 Posts |
Hey guys,
Should have mentioned- no pass (at least, not a traditional one). I know I know, all these lousy conditions! Ben
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cinemagician Inner circle Phila Metro Area 1094 Posts |
Ben, what is the desired starting position of the card? On top, placed in center?
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