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On May 7, 2019, JanForster wrote:
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On May 7, 2019, Waterloophai wrote:
From the Turner side... (was posted on FaceBook)

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Obviously there's lot buzz & talk about JM new Watch - and yes, it does have a remote. However...for all those jumping ship and desperate to sell their watches, I would encourage you to hold on to your TW. Your watch is far slimmer and better looking with more functionality than the JM Watch - and once the TW remote has graduated Beta Testing...you'll have wished you'd held onto it. In addition to the TW updates, there are alternative input methods coming up within the next 4 weeks. I'll post a video as soon as there's something new to show!
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Where did you find this statement? I couldn't... Jan

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In the "Secret Turner Chat" - facebook group - Sam Dixon, the admin posted it
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Everybody saying the Turner watch has no remote? Yes it does and it hides in plane sight.Also someone said a statement ( The Turner days are over )That a bold statement. I highly doubt that.I do love Joao effects and has always had the best customer service. Time will tell about the Turner boys as of customer so far they have been really good from what I have read. SO with both these watches ( I have the Turner watch ) and love it and time will tell if it stays around ( Support )from the Turner boys. I don't have Joao watch and most likely wont unless the watch I do have wont work anymore. I like the looks of the Turner watch more and also not having to use a ten key remote that you have to keep hidden somewhere.
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On May 7, 2019, MR Effecto wrote:
Everybody saying the Turner watch has no remote? Yes it does and it hides in plane sight.Also someone said a statement ( The Turner days are over )That a bold statement. I highly doubt that.I do love Joao effects and has always had the best customer service. Time will tell about the Turner boys as of customer so far they have been really good from what I have read. SO with both these watches ( I have the Turner watch ) and love it and time will tell if it stays around ( Support )from the Turner boys. I don't have Joao watch and most likely wont unless the watch I do have wont work anymore. I like the looks of the Turner watch more and also not having to use a ten key remote that you have to keep hidden somewhere.


Have to agree I am sticking with my Turner Watch
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Hi Guys,

Joao Miranda here.

The response on the watch has been amazing and I am SUPER happy with that.


A lot of people is comparing THE WATCH with other marketed versions, so I thought I would mention bellow the main differences:

1 - Besides the remote vibrating after the hands of the watch move into the correct time, when you insert the hour first the remote vibrates and when you insert the minutes it also vibrates, so you know you successfully placed the time. If you start to input a hour or minute by a wrong number the remote will buzz two times warning that you did a mistake.

2 - The watch gives precise time if you wish to use it everyday and the battery lasts for 2 weeks. You will never need to go to a watchmaker to change the battery, ever.

3 - Once the time is inputted the remote is sending the information EVERY SECOND until the watch hands move. This makes the effect VERY reliable.

4 - There is a 15 second delay mode that you can turn the watch into. This allows for a HANDS FREE REVEAL (you can for example show the wrong time and when you pass the hand magically over the watch the time changes)

5 - The remote has a LED that always lets you know if you are connected to the watch, and also alerts you when its time to charge the watch and remote battery.

6 - You turn the watch ON by just passing a magnet in it. And you turn it OFF either by the magnet or by simply typing the code 9050 in the remote.

7 - The watch hands move forward and backwards. We created a complex ALGORITHM that calculates if the hands should move forward or backwards, saving time to reach the desired time.


This are just a FEW but important differences between THE WATCH and other marketed versions.


I wont be giving my personal opinion ever on the competition (here or anywhere else) because would not be fair to others and I personally think that magicians can make up their mind to decide which version they like the most.


Thank you for reading.


Joao
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Do the hands of the watch move by turning the crown?
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Do the hands of the watch move by turning the crown?


No.

If that was possible, we would have had an almost ultimate watch gizmo that could do both:-

#1. The prior predicted time set by the performer on the watch matches the spectators thought of time.

#2. The freely selected time set by the spectator on the watch is predicted by the performer. IMO this is a much more powerful effect of the two, since the spectator handles the watch and sets the time all by himself.

For now, both the 'T' Watch as well as The Watch, can only perform Test #1 mentioned above. The day one of the creators of WATCH MAGIC creates a watch that can also do Test #2, we shall have a great prop. But alas, this is not possible with the presently prevailing versions of Hybrid watch technology.

Though I was hoping that Joao Miranda would come up with a watch that could do both Tests #1 & #2. But sadly Test #2 still remains to be solved.

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The Turner Watch ist slimmer and more innocence. That´s one of the main reasons I prefer it. the remote may have some advantages at the moment, but its a matter of your routine. I have performed perfect time (Rich Bloch) for 25 years with great success. We are talking here just about gadgets. Each of these technical solutions can be great in the right context.
It is great when so many innovators come to their own solutions. So the Miranda watch is a great development.
For me, the look of the watch is in a kind of "too perfect effect" essential, so I prefer the turner watch and even the Perfect time Seico version. But this is a matter of taste.

But what I really hate, is that Miranda shows at his Page - which is open the public the remote control and explains the working of the effect.
that's not ok and spoils this effect for magicians who perform the effect. When profit is more important for creators then responsibility for their customers and for the magic, it is very sad.
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Further to my above comment, for my own experiment I did search and found a Hybrid watch whose hands could be moved using the crown. But that too could not be used to carryout Test #2. This is the watch I am talking about:-

Timex Women's IQ+ Move Activity Tracker Smart Watch
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01MS5......F8&psc=1

Back on topic please.

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On May 7, 2019, RodrigoGrando wrote:

Do the hands of the watch move by turning the crown?


No.

If that was possible, we would have had an almost ultimate watch gizmo that could do both:-

#1. The prior predicted time set by the performer on the watch matches the spectators thought of time.

#2. The freely selected time set by the spectator on the watch is predicted by the performer. IMO this is a much more powerful effect of the two, since the spectator handles the watch and sets the time all by himself.

For now, both the 'T' Watch as well as The Watch, can only perform Test #1 mentioned above. The day one of the creators of WATCH MAGIC creates a watch that can also do Test #2, we shall have a great prop. But alas, this is not possible with the presently prevailing versions of Hybrid watch technology.

Though I was hoping that Joao Miranda would come up with a watch that could do both Tests #1 & #2. But sadly Test #2 still remains to be solved.

Smile


Well, the Force Time feature on the T Watch allows for #2, but the time is set by the spectator at random without looking at the face
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Well, the Force Time feature on the T Watch allows for #2, but the time is set by the spectator at random without looking at the face


Sorry - NO.

I have written a lot on the so called 'T' Watch Force Time feature. This is merrily a pseudo time force. This can also be done with our new entrant 'The Watch', in fact Joao has an effect on the Force Time.

I am talking about a true Force time that the spectator can see the hands moving and then the spectator sets the time of his choosing and the magi then predicts the time. For now this is simply not possible.

I had mentioned and may I please quote:-

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On May 6, 2019, Ustaad wrote:

. . . you will now see a spate of Turner watches popping up at the Café's Buy-n-Sell at great bargain prices but with few takers.


This is a very good opportunity for all those interested in getting a 'T' Watch. One might like to checkout the Café's Buy-n-Sell section where a few 'T' watches are available at a bargain. One of the watch has a low resale price tag of just $265.00. If you LIKE them . . . GRAB them. Smile

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On May 7, 2019, RodrigoGrando wrote:

Do the hands of the watch move by turning the crown?


No.

If that was possible, we would have had an almost ultimate watch gizmo that could do both:-

#1. The prior predicted time set by the performer on the watch matches the spectators thought of time.

#2. The freely selected time set by the spectator on the watch is predicted by the performer. IMO this is a much more powerful effect of the two, since the spectator handles the watch and sets the time all by himself.

For now, both the 'T' Watch as well as The Watch, can only perform Test #1 mentioned above. The day one of the creators of WATCH MAGIC creates a watch that can also do Test #2, we shall have a great prop. But alas, this is not possible with the presently prevailing versions of Hybrid watch technology.

Though I was hoping that Joao Miranda would come up with a watch that could do both Tests #1 & #2. But sadly Test #2 still remains to be solved.

Smile


With all respect, I do not agree:
I think #1 is stronger: putting down a prediciton of a thought of time BEFORE (!) you ask them to think of a random time is a miracle. Nothing can top this !

#2 using the time forece is also strong if you do it like Josh Jounousky - writing down the prediction beforehand or having a second watch in a pouch with the predicted time set. You have to show that it was done before the trick even started .... .... I wouldn´t do #2 as I mindreading effect .. it might just look like a peek.... no need for a 400 USD watch in this case Smile

#1 can be done of course with both watches , .....
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On May 7, 2019, TuneHV wrote:

Well, the Force Time feature on the T Watch allows for #2, but the time is set by the spectator at random without looking at the face


Sorry - NO.

I have written a lot on the so called 'T' Watch Force Time feature. This is merrily a pseudo time force. This can also be done with our new entrant 'The Watch', in fact Joao has an effect on the Force Time.

I am talking about a true Force time that the spectator can see the hands moving and then the spectator sets the time of his choosing and the magi then predicts the time. For now this is simply not possible.

I had mentioned and may I please quote:-

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On May 6, 2019, Ustaad wrote:

. . . you will now see a spate of Turner watches popping up at the Café's Buy-n-Sell at great bargain prices but with few takers.


This is a very good opportunity for all those interested in getting a 'T' Watch. One might like to checkout the Café's Buy-n-Sell section where a few 'T' watches are available at a bargain. One of the watch has a low resale price tag of just $265.00. If you LIKE them . . . GRAB them. Smile

Smile


Actually you CAN show the hands moving when you spin the knob, then have them continue to twist and press it in. Its shown on the instructions when Chris demonstrates the force time feature. Its a subtly many have mentioned as well
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Actually you CAN show the hands moving when you spin the knob, then have them continue to twist and press it in. Its shown on the instructions when Chris demonstrates the force time feature. Its a subtly many have mentioned as well


Yes I agree, its a nice pseudo method. All such watches adopts this method including the good oldies (non hybrid watches). However, like I mentioned, I am talking about the physical and true movements of the hands using the crown.

BTW, I own a 'T' watch and I am in no mood of selling it. Smile I will also be getting 'The Watch'.

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If the hands don't move when turning the crown, it simply means that the spectators won't be able to examine the watch after the effect (and that's the very first thing any spectator will want to do, in real world situations). As such, you are left with expensive non-examinable magic props, which can be used only in specific settings. I'll pass once again, and wait for the next watch
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If the hands don't move when turning the crown, it simply means that the spectators won't be able to examine the watch after the effect (and that's the very first thing any spectator will want to do, in real world situations). As such, you are left with expensive non-examinable magic props, which can be used only in specific settings. I'll pass once again, and wait for the next watch


No . . no . . . . . no . . no, it's not so. Smile With ones great thinking and ingenuity, one should be able to make the best out of the available props.

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I purchased this watch immediately and I am sure I am going to enjoy the Joao watch!!!
I'm Very excited to get it.

This is a MILLION times better than the Turner watch.
I remember Oz's performance with the Turner watch.
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Sorry guys..but what time is it?
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One significant issue with the T watch for me in testing was:

1) The use of Bluetooth which is prone to interference- has very limited range especially in a banquet room filled with over 500. Bluetooth is not the best tech for any of these devices. The new Joao Watch does not use unreliable BT.

2) The bigger issue was also the T watch engineering seems to have created what’s known as a “Faraday Cage” whereas the back of the watch served to block the BT signal from your phone. That also limited distance in surprising ways at times. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faraday_cage

I liked my T watch. I just couldn’t completely trust it. Even with its own remote it would still be using inferior BT.
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How thick is the Watch? (Looks pretty thick)
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Thick watches are a popular style. Bottom line is what I care about is which watch offers the most reliability first.
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