The Magic Café
Username:
Password:
[ Lost Password ]
  [ Forgot Username ]
The Magic Cafe Forum Index » » Not very magical, still... » » Study about people who constantly point out grammatical errors (2 Likes) Printer Friendly Version

 Go to page [Previous]  1~2~3 [Next]
tommy
View Profile
Eternal Order
Devil’s Island
15675 Posts

Profile of tommy
But those who can speak, write, address a crowd, communicate with precision, will always rise to the top in every field of endeavour - except for those who don't.
If there is a single truth about Magic, it is that nothing on earth so efficiently evades it.

Tommy
TomBoleware
View Profile
Inner circle
Hattiesburg, Ms
2540 Posts

Profile of TomBoleware
In a way, Speaking and Writing are two different things. One can be great with one and bad with the other.
For example, some speakers can barely read their own written notes.Smile

But I do agree, doing both well is idea and should be the goal.

Tom
magicfish
View Profile
Inner circle
5947 Posts

Profile of magicfish
Quote:
On May 9, 2019, tommy wrote:
But those who can speak, write, address a crowd, communicate with precision, will always rise to the top in every field of endeavour - except for those who don't.

Correct. I have never known of a successful CEO or a Superintendent or a Military leader who was a poor communicator.
As you have wisely stated, not all good communicators make it to the top, but those at the top, who are successful, are invariably good communicators.
tommy
View Profile
Eternal Order
Devil’s Island
15675 Posts

Profile of tommy
In logic, a tautology (from the Greek word ταυτολογία) is a formula or assertion that is true in every possible interpretation. An example of a tautology is "(x equals y) or (x does not equal y)". A less abstract example is "The ball is green or the ball is not green".
If there is a single truth about Magic, it is that nothing on earth so efficiently evades it.

Tommy
magicfish
View Profile
Inner circle
5947 Posts

Profile of magicfish
Correct. Another fine example of the importance of English in the sciences.
WitchDocChris
View Profile
Inner circle
York, PA
2043 Posts

Profile of WitchDocChris
While there are many politicians that I think sound like drunken idiots when they address the public, I'm not restricting my comment to those in politics.

I've seen presentations by successful CEOs that are ... just not great. Not bad, per se, but nothing you wouldn't expect to see in a high school English presentation.

While I agree the ability to communicate is a bonus, I strongly doubt there's much more correlation between the ability to communicate and "Rising to the top". I think creativity and the ability to understand and adapt to ambiguous situations is probably a better indicator. It would not surprise me to find out that people who are excellent communicators end up being second in command to the top execs, due to their ability to take the exec's ideas and translate it for the rest of the company.

Of course, I'd be happy to peruse any studies you might have available that prove the correlation.
Christopher
Witch Doctor

Psycho Seance book: https://tinyurl.com/y873bbr4
magicfish
View Profile
Inner circle
5947 Posts

Profile of magicfish
I'm not great at math. Trigonometry is my extent. I am a public speaker, spelling bee champion, and past valedictorian. My weakness? Trying to type thoughts with my index finger on this little silver rectangle.
WitchDocChris
View Profile
Inner circle
York, PA
2043 Posts

Profile of WitchDocChris
I never made it past Algebra II - once they put the alphabet into math it stopped making sense to me. Never need anything beyond basics in my daily life, so I don't sweat it.

But hey, apparently this my 2000th post. Hooray.

I also agree with what was said previously - being able to speak in public and being able to clearly put thoughts into text are two different, though related, skills. The patience to deal with phone keyboards is entirely unrelated to either.
Christopher
Witch Doctor

Psycho Seance book: https://tinyurl.com/y873bbr4
E.S. Andrews
View Profile
New user
63 Posts

Profile of E.S. Andrews
Magicfish,

I applaud your recognition of the importance of grammar and its related rules governing punctuation, capitalization, and spelling to a flourishing society and an actualized citizenry. Correct away. Better labeled a jerk than remain tacitly complicit in the erosion of our ability effectively to express ourselves and be understood--a root cause for the decline in America's leadership in fields that it once dominated, retardation of public discourse, stymied individual and societal potential, and squandered offerings of the human experience.

Please forgive my own contemptible obnoxiousness in pointing out a grammatical slip-up in your first post: disagreement between subject and verb. "It is our educational system's failure to correct . . . that have [sic] partially led...." "Spelling, grammar, and punctuation is [sic] as important...." The (state of being) verbs should be "has" and "are" to agree with their subjects.

Sheepishly,

ESA
magicfish
View Profile
Inner circle
5947 Posts

Profile of magicfish
No need to be sheepish. I thank you for the coaching. When it comes to English, I am no expert, but I care about it and strive for quality. Thanks again.
WitchDocChris
View Profile
Inner circle
York, PA
2043 Posts

Profile of WitchDocChris
Question - what about code switching?
Christopher
Witch Doctor

Psycho Seance book: https://tinyurl.com/y873bbr4
Dannydoyle
View Profile
Eternal Order
19405 Posts

Profile of Dannydoyle
Being able to communicate with the written word is a much more different and in many ways difficult skill than communicating with the spoken word. It takes little education to speak. On the other hand rules of grammar and proper punctuation and dare I say spelling require quite a bit of education.

But theae skills are not one size fits all. To communicate well with those not as educated in grammar you do not need to use perfect grammar. As a matter of fact it may be a bad idea.

Effective communication is knowing your audience.
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus
<BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell
tommy
View Profile
Eternal Order
Devil’s Island
15675 Posts

Profile of tommy
From CQD to SOS?
If there is a single truth about Magic, it is that nothing on earth so efficiently evades it.

Tommy
WitchDocChris
View Profile
Inner circle
York, PA
2043 Posts

Profile of WitchDocChris
Quote:
On May 10, 2019, tommy wrote:
From CQD to SOS?


Quote:
code-switch·ing
noun: code-switching

the practice of alternating between two or more languages or varieties of language in conversation.


As Danny said - different groups communicate in different ways, for different reasons. The concept of what is "proper" is changing, because language is constantly evolving. And I think few language evolve as radically and rapidly as English, which is really just a stapled-together-Frankenstein's-monster-esque conglomeration of a variety of other languages.

Slavishly adhering to the rules of "proper" grammar may, in fact, make you unable to effectively communicate with a rather large portion of our society. If one is to be an effective communicator one will also have to be able to code switch between different dialects and languages, which means purposely not using "proper" grammar at times. Example: I grew up in rural PA. I can guarantee you that if you came here and started correcting people's grammar you would soon find yourself with no one's grammar to correct.
Christopher
Witch Doctor

Psycho Seance book: https://tinyurl.com/y873bbr4
magicfish
View Profile
Inner circle
5947 Posts

Profile of magicfish
Hence the overall downgrade in literacy mentioned earlier. By your logic, we'll all be grunting in 50 years
magicfish
View Profile
Inner circle
5947 Posts

Profile of magicfish
"English, which is really just a stapled-together-Frankenstein's-monster-esque conglomeration of a variety of other languages."
Perhaps I'm mistaken, but you say this as though it is a negative thing. On the contrary , it is what makes English such a wonderful language.
WitchDocChris
View Profile
Inner circle
York, PA
2043 Posts

Profile of WitchDocChris
Quote:
On May 10, 2019, magicfish wrote:
Hence the overall downgrade in literacy mentioned earlier. By your logic, we'll all be grunting in 50 years


No, we'll just be pronouncing things different, and maybe saying them in different orders.

English in Shakespeare's time didn't sound like what we speak now, and going back further it was closer to German as I understand it.

Language evolves, pronunciations evolve, grammar evolves. That can't happen if people insist on keeping it static with strict rules.


Quote:
On May 10, 2019, magicfish wrote:
"English, which is really just a stapled-together-Frankenstein's-monster-esque conglomeration of a variety of other languages."
Perhaps I'm mistaken, but you say this as though it is a negative thing. On the contrary , it is what makes English such a wonderful language.


I wasn't saying it's negative, or positive. It just is.
Christopher
Witch Doctor

Psycho Seance book: https://tinyurl.com/y873bbr4
gallagher
View Profile
Inner circle
1007 Posts

Profile of gallagher
"Pessimism and syntax are the opium of the middle classes."
(Raymond Chandler)

👍
Jonathan Townsend
View Profile
Eternal Order
Ossining, NY
26852 Posts

Profile of Jonathan Townsend
There's been a generation of research on advice giving behavior.
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/......se-power

Some folks did very well selling opium (opioids - fentanyl) to the masses.
...to all the coins I've dropped here
tommy
View Profile
Eternal Order
Devil’s Island
15675 Posts

Profile of tommy
I am a lay back sort of guy. It is good and bad. I stay calm in stressful situations whereas the more hyper sort of fellow lossless it.
If there is a single truth about Magic, it is that nothing on earth so efficiently evades it.

Tommy
The Magic Cafe Forum Index » » Not very magical, still... » » Study about people who constantly point out grammatical errors (2 Likes)
 Go to page [Previous]  1~2~3 [Next]
[ Top of Page ]
All content & postings Copyright © 2001-2019 Steve Brooks. All Rights Reserved.
This page was created in 0.2 seconds requiring 5 database queries.
The views and comments expressed on The Magic Café
are not necessarily those of The Magic Café, Steve Brooks, or Steve Brooks Magic.
> Privacy Statement <

ROTFL Billions and billions served! ROTFL