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Hence the overall downgrade in literacy mentioned earlier. By your logic, we'll all be grunting in 50 years


No, we'll just be pronouncing things different, and maybe saying them in different orders.

English in Shakespeare's time didn't sound like what we speak now, and going back further it was closer to German as I understand it.

Language evolves, pronunciations evolve, grammar evolves. That can't happen if people insist on keeping it static with strict rules.


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"English, which is really just a stapled-together-Frankenstein's-monster-esque conglomeration of a variety of other languages."
Perhaps I'm mistaken, but you say this as though it is a negative thing. On the contrary , it is what makes English such a wonderful language.


I wasn't saying it's negative, or positive. It just is.

Evolving doesn't have to mean degrading.
No we don't speak Shakesperian. Top notch English then doesn't sound like top notch English now, but quality is quality and it can be seen and heard in any era.
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The grammar Nazis are usually the middle wannabe upper classes. Wearing glasses and talking posh like is more to do with them keeping up with the Joneses. The working and upper class have more in common as they talk naturally.
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On May 10, 2019, WitchDocChris wrote:
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On May 10, 2019, magicfish wrote:
Hence the overall downgrade in literacy mentioned earlier. By your logic, we'll all be grunting in 50 years


No, we'll just be pronouncing things different, and maybe saying them in different orders.

English in Shakespeare's time didn't sound like what we speak now, and going back further it was closer to German as I understand it.

Language evolves, pronunciations evolve, grammar evolves. That can't happen if people insist on keeping it static with strict rules.


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On May 10, 2019, magicfish wrote:
"English, which is really just a stapled-together-Frankenstein's-monster-esque conglomeration of a variety of other languages."
Perhaps I'm mistaken, but you say this as though it is a negative thing. On the contrary , it is what makes English such a wonderful language.


I wasn't saying it's negative, or positive. It just is.

Evolving doesn't have to mean degrading.
No we don't speak Shakesperian. Top notch English then doesn't sound like top notch English now, but quality is quality and it can be seen and heard in any era.


You have a preference. Cool. Others do as well. Why not allow for that?
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It's just a level of competency with our tools. Language is a tool for the conveyance of ideas. With a mastery of that tool, one can convey precisely what he or she is thinking. In my opinion, few things are as important.
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Question - what about code switching?

As a presupposed choice in directed communication within some context... seems rational.

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In logic, a tautology (from the Greek word ταυτολογία) is a formula or assertion that is true in every possible interpretation. An example of a tautology is "(x equals y) or (x does not equal y)". A less abstract example is "The ball is green or the ball is not green".

These are tautologies in Aristotelian logic, but not in all systems of logic (in particular, not in those that don't assume principium tertii exclusi (the law of the excluded middle)).
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If one is to be an effective communicator one will also have to be able to code switch between different dialects and languages, which means purposely not using "proper" grammar at times.

For example:
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"English, which is really just a stapled-together-Frankenstein's-monster-esque conglomeration of a variety of other languages."
Perhaps I'm mistaken, but you say this as though it is a negative thing. On the contrary , it is what makes English such a wonderful language.

English doesn't borrow from other languages. English follows other languages down dark alleys, knocks them over, and rummages through their pockets for loose grammar.
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There are not many old recordings of peoples voices but recently discovered were thousands of recordings of WW1 British prisoners of war made by the Germans. The other day I watched an interesting documentary about it. It was made by a young lady who teaches actors accents. One thing she said was that people tend to speak in a way that relates to their terrain. People who live in mountainous places tend to have a wide range, while those of flat lands tend to have a flatter more monotone way of speaking.
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Interesting. I wonder what other human characteristics correspond or are born from their surroundings. I understand Shirpas are able to breathe easier at high altitudes than peoples of lowlands.
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Sailors tend to look up, land lovers down, as a result of how we navigate.
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English doesn't borrow from other languages. English follows other languages down dark alleys, knocks them over, and rummages through their pockets for loose grammar.


Yes, precisely.
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