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Bob G
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Hi folks,


I welcome comments about the video I made of my EC: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yji-z8KtQM8&feature=youtu.be. It's under 20 seconds.



I thought I'd make this video before my habits become too ingrained. Although I was able to hide the card, my performance looks pretty rough to me. I swing my left hand pretty far to the left and tilt my wrist so that spectators can see the cards I'm displaying; not sure I like the way it looks. I'm sure I'll benefit from people's suggestions about that and other things.



I'm still having trouble figuring out how to record videos so that the viewer would see what a spectator would. I tried building up my chair with pillows, and putting my ipad on a box that was maybe a foot high, positioned opposite me at the table -- trying to simulate a real situation in which I'd be seated and a spectator would be sitting opposite me. That didn't work at all -- I couldn't easily get the cards to show up on the screen, and even when I did, the camera seemed to be looking at the cards edge-on. (*Maybe* this would have worked if I'd been able to tilt the ipad downward enough, like a spectator looking down at my hands.) Eventually I had to stand and leave the ipad on the table, without the box.


That worked in the sense that you can see what I'm doing, but it does make me wonder whether a spectator would be able to see the cards if s/he were seated across me at a table. My wife tells me this has been a problem for her. Many professional videos are filmed from an unrealistically high angle; this makes it easy for magicians to learn from them, but doesn't indicate how the performance would look to spectators.



Thanks for whatever help you can offer, on either the count or on how to make the tops of the cards easily viewable to live spectators.



Regards,


Bob
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I get a "This video is unavailable" error message.
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Thanks, AsL. I'm new to uploading videos. I uploaded again, this time under that category "unlisted" rather than "private." Let's see if the video is now accessible:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VlslzZOQag8
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It looks a bit "studied", Bob. Maybe a bit stiff. I strive to make mine non-chalant. Kind of like to a drum beat, sort of a rhythm. It's hard to explain.
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Where did you learn it Bob?
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There are a zillion exposures of this count on youtoob. I just looked and the ones I saw were poor.
I shot a clip for you just now to give you a look at a few different cadences and speeds.
I hope it helps you.
I certainly don't ckaim to be a master of this count. I recommend reading as many different written descriptions as you can.
Cheers Bob.

https://youtu.be/3-KMkrL9JHk
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Thanks Kevin and Magicfish,


I learned it from Ian Kendall's ebook, Basic Training, from lybrary.com. Curious why you ask. It looks studied to me, too. Is it possible to teach a person to be nonchalant??
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Bob...I learned mine from Card College Vol 2.

I am biased, but I think Vol 1 and 2 are mandatory reading. His insights are worth their weight in gold.
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I think our messages crossed, magicfish. Thanks for taking the time to look at youtube videos and to shoot a video for me. After watching your video my conjecture is that the count looks much more casual if it's done quickly (though of course not so quickly that the spectators can't see the cards). Your speed struck the sweet spot. I need to keep practicing to increase my pace. I'm sure there's more to being nonchalant than just speed, but that's a good course correction.



I've also been working on a couple of other handlings also, but it seemed worthwhile to get feedback on the one I've practiced the most.


See you,


Bob
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There are cheaper options. But for a fundamental move in card magic, such as the Elmsley Count, Aaron Fisher's teaching leaves no stone unturned.
http://www.penguinmagic.com/p/3641
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Thanks, Kevin. I've read Giobbi's description of the EC in Card College. I share your love of his work. I'll look again -- but I'm wondering whether the kind of casualness you're speaking of can be learned from a book. I don't mean that in a negative way: I'll bet there are people who can articulate what I'm doing that makes my count stiff.



If I remember correctly, the main difference between Kendall's and Giobbi's handling is that Giobbi has you "pinch" the cards in the right hand with at the middle of the right side, rather than at the lower right corner.



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Thanks, jachris. I've watched many of Fisher's videos on youtube, and he's great. Have you watched the particular download that you mentioned? I ask because $35 is, as you suggest, pretty pricey. If you think Fisher gives advice that would improve my EC it might be worth it , though.
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Giobbi teaches the "classic". I like classics, to be honest.

Watch Magicfish...do you see the one, two, three, four?

I used to be a drummer, and I could write music to his beat.

Nowadays...I purposely mess up the beat. But you have to GET the beat before you improvise.

You're a math guy Bob...-))
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Ah, I always had trouble with numbers... I do my math with letters.


Cool that you were a drummer.


Okay, I'll start practicing with a metronome.
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No metronome! That becomes robotic.

Loose is the word. NATURAL.

Get the fundamentals down. Really down. Then play around.

You DO seem to have the fundamentals down. There was no flashing of other mistakes. Just keep doing it.

I learned it because I wanted to do Dai Vernon's Twisting the Aces. I did it every morning with coffee for a year.

Viola...now I can do it.

Just stick with it, Bob.
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Harry says some speights are not worth it and others are. Actually he says to learn them when a trick requires it.

I would think even Harry would consider the Elmsley Count mandatory.

You'll get it.

K
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On May 16, 2019, kShepher wrote:
Viola...


Spoken like a true musician!
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Thanks, K! I appreciate the encouragement. I like your idea of practicing the same trick every day for a year. By the end of that time I'll bet you were pretty d**ned good at both the trick and the sleight.



I know I'll probably get kicked off the Café for saying this, but I'm not a fan of Twisting the Aces. Can you (or anyone else) recommend another shortish trick that uses the EC multiple times?
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I am in on a Galaxy S5...thus my awful spelling gaffs...

This website is not conducive to mobile phones.

I have to go to work tomorrow...good night.
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Good night... It's pretty late, now that I look. I don't have to *go* to work, but I have to work -- my endless textbook project. (I love it, I hate it...)



Thanks for all the advice so far, everybody -- very helpful indeed.



Bob


P. S. I actually do have a trick in mind -- Faulty Followers, with my own take on the story. But I'm still interested in people's ideas.
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