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Nathan Alexander Inner circle 1489 Posts 
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I'm currently using Cipher with a lottery ticket (in actuality) in my wallet. Forcing of course. I'm trying to decide if a photo in my camera roll is less impressive (what I first thought) or more impressive (what I'm starting to think). If I got just the app for android, will I like it? In other words, those of you who just do that one effect without the console, do you?
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Chanku New user 70 Posts
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I received my Console device (ios) today and can confirm that it's unreliable and the buttons don't register the presses in a consistent manner. Headed for a refund.
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kissdadookie Inner circle 4098 Posts
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On Jun 20, 2019, Nathan Alexander wrote: The physical lottery ticket is going to be much more effective due to the fact that the physical lottery ticket is removed from the technology aspect of it. On top of that, with Cipher you have the bonus of harvesting extra information that you can use later on far far far far removed from them ever having been asked to use the information in any way due to the time delay you have at your disposal. |
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videoman Inner circle 5129 Posts
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Can you imagine purchasing an expensive device in any other non-magic industry and being told that you will have to spend time practicing "pushing the buttons" in order for it to function reliably and consistently?
Magic is the only industry in existence where you could then run the risk of being labeled as someone who is "too lazy to practice" (horror of horrors!!!). There are other remotes designed to be used surreptitiously in magic that do not seem to have this issue. I honestly do not believe for a second that it had to do with making it silent or long-lasting, etc. But had everything to do with bringing it to market quickly and cheaply. Believe it or not, magic companies are businesses and as such do not always have your best interests in mind. |
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videoman Inner circle 5129 Posts
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On Jun 20, 2019, kissdadookie wrote: I agree with all that kissadookie wrote...plus, it just makes far more sense and is far more logical and believable to have the actual ticket and not just a photo of it. Who takes a photo of their lottery tickets? |
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Thomas Walter Veteran user Well, it is strange that at my age, I certanly should have more than 343 Posts
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On Jun 20, 2019, videoman wrote: I agree, but on the other hand people are taking selfies in almost any stupid situations and with odd reasons, so why not....? Hmmm! 
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Gaz Lawrence Inner circle 4542 Posts
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The actual ticket is 100 times better imo , it’s irrelevant whether sad people have nothing better to do than keep taking pictures of themselves 😂 .
Why are you going out of the way to drop clangers like smarties over the technology ( ie the method ) . The sooner you get the phone ( yours ) out of play the better imho Gaz 🙂 |
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Nathan Alexander Inner circle 1489 Posts
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I would agree the real ticket is better, but I do like that the numbers aren't forced in this version. Either way, I'm sticking with cipher for now.
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Thomas Walter Veteran user Well, it is strange that at my age, I certanly should have more than 343 Posts
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On Jun 20, 2019, Gaz Lawrence wrote: No objections! |
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Gaz Lawrence Inner circle 4542 Posts
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The ithump app leaves Cipher standing on its head imo .
It offers a country mile more and is majorly unlooked which is a good thing Gaz 🙂 |
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pegasus Inner circle United Kingdom 8911 Posts
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On Jun 20, 2019, Gaz Lawrence wrote: Would love to see a demo of iThump. |
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Lonnie_Lyerla Veteran user 328 Posts
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On Jun 20, 2019, Chanku wrote: To be fair, you’ve only had the device for less than a day. So in reality, you’ll need to practice with this device more than just a few moments out of your day. It’s not a do as I do card trick. I do know that there are other electronics that offer this style of method and are more user friendly. ( which I may also test out ) Also more expensive. If you’re not willing to practice this for at least a couple of days, then this is more likely not your type of magic imo. God forbid we have to actually physically practice. I imagine you wouldn’t really be in to the muscle pass. Or the pass in general. Or a decent double l***. Call me old fashion. I just enjoy practicing thing I like doing. Like magic. I do understand that each person has their own needs for magic. Some like challenges. Others like self working effects. To each their own. I also have to agree with Videoman. Magic companies are businesses. And they definitely don’t have the best interests for customers. It’s about the all mighty dollar. But at least give your customer what they paid for in quality. Nathan, if you’re using the android version, I believe you will definitely enjoy what the console app offers. |
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Lonnie_Lyerla Veteran user 328 Posts
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On Jun 20, 2019, Gaz Lawrence wrote: I cannot agree with this any more than I do now. I’ve had iTHUMP for a while now. It blows the roof off of cypher in every aspect. |
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smacks183 Loyal user 247 Posts
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Having crashing issues with the Apple app. just updated and still having issues, especially with printing.
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Lonnie_Lyerla Veteran user 328 Posts
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On Jun 20, 2019, smacks183 wrote: Terrible news. And Definitely frustrating. I have completely felt your frustration. I honestly don’t know if it will get fixed or not. I know Apple likes to take their time when approving updates. But In the same hand, it would be nice if Will or someone from E would at minimum, let us know that they are looking at our issues. I could deal with some type of information. But remaining completely silent on everything is where the frustration starts to build. I can only imagine what the response would be if they attempt to release another effect in the App Store. Some of the poorest customer service I’ve ever received unfortunately. I get it though. Business is business. |
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videoman Inner circle 5129 Posts
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On Jun 20, 2019, Lonnie_Lyerla wrote: I get so tired of hearing this ridiculous false equivalency. Just because someone doesn't feel you should have to "practice" using a device that should be able to simply work straight out of the box doesn't mean you are a lazy magician (which is what you are trying to imply even though you are doing your best to sound diplomatic, or if not then it certainly sounds condescending to me.) This Console device is not a musical instrument and I don't feel it should be put in the same category as one. It could have been made to work simply and effortlessly but either due to poor design or cost-saving measures (or maybe both?) it requires effort and a learning curve on the part of the user in order to operate it reliably. Again, let me be clear, I am not opposed to "putting in the work" in order to master something. I just have to selective about what that skill is and what I'm opposed to is having to spend time practicing and learning something in order to make up for the shortcomings of a device. I have a limited amount of time in which to practice and I would rather put that time towards practicing and learning something that genuinely requires practice and not towards learning to push a button in exactly the right way. As I said before, magic is the only industry where you could find suckers, err, I mean consumers, that happily buy into this nonsense. Gosh, reading this you would think I actually bought one of these things. 
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Lonnie_Lyerla Veteran user 328 Posts
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On Jun 20, 2019, videoman wrote: Hahahahahahahahahahahaha You have your views on the term lazy. And I have mine. And others have theirs. That’s the beauty of opinions. We each have our own. It sounds like I’m not the first person you’ve heard reference that practice is required for some things. If I turned the tables and said “ its sounds like you’re implying that lazy magicians don’t exist”. To me, that’s the exact same thing. Just reversed. But I think it’s safe to say that you’re not implying that. Some food for thought-Condescending and diplomatic are not the ONLY ways that my comment could be interpreted. There are other ways. Any who. When it comes to the device, I was saying it’s not one of those things that’s a plug “n” play type of effect. It does actually require practice. Meaning you can’t be lazy. Some practice for memory work. Some practice for the way you’re comfortable with holding the device. Some practice for how you’re using the device. And some practice for multi tasking. ( such as patter while typing the information in ) If I could compare easy vs complex for a quick second. Learning the way the app works is so much easier than learning the way the device works. One you don’t need a bunch of practice. And the other one needs at least some practice. Of course this is just my opinion. Which means absolutely nothing to most people. Trust me, I wish it was as easy as 123. But unfortunately it’s not. Me personally, I’m satisfied with the device. |
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Gaz Lawrence Inner circle 4542 Posts
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The only thing I would add is if you take this device out of it’s hidden place and put it in the palm of your hand . Does every button you press work flawlessly every single time without compromise using a finger of your other hand ?
If the answers is yes you require more practice in the hidden position , if it’s no the device is defective or poorly designed imho Gaz 🙂 |
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Chanku New user 70 Posts
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On Jun 21, 2019, Gaz Lawrence wrote: The consistency has got nothing to do with the position of the device. It just doesn’t work the way it’s supposed to on a consistent basis. |
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lunatik Inner circle 2770 Posts
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The device should be similar to a car remote. Zero practice in pushing the button. But I can see practice in how to push the buttons while not having it look like there's a wrestling match going on in your pocket.
but again, as long as a finger is on the button, there should be zero practice involve in the activation of that button, just push it and it should do what it's supposed to do.
"Don't let your Dreams become Fantasies"
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