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ArtIn Inner circle Berlin 1278 Posts 
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On Sep 25, 2019, kissdadookie wrote: And this indicates marketing has worked 
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On Sep 25, 2019, ArtIn wrote: Yup. In this case though, it REALLY needed the public explanations and breakdown of the product. I suppose they should have password protected it or something and allow access on a per request only basis. :: Shrug :: You know, just to protect from laypeople. LoL. |
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kissdadookie Inner circle 4146 Posts
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Watched the first 4 videos. Definitely worth a watch, convinced me to order this thing so I will in the near future.
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ArtIn Inner circle Berlin 1278 Posts
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Agree it shouldn’t be open source!
@Ellusionist, what is your intention? Why it’s not offered to owners only? Just for more sales figures? My unit (hardware) works flawlessly since day one. But I still think Ellusionist has left a few important bits out here. For example: in europe you need to switch the keyboard settings to US otherwise it won’t work. But nobody told us and I figured it out for myself. In the new video it’s still not mentioned. Maybe remotes were returned because of that circumstance! Ellusionist, speak to owners and listen to their experience and not to someone who pretend that he saw everything the first time.. Nice script Peter Turner... Also the printer can bring you problems (time out settings). I feel the new videos are somehow only a weird excuse and vindication for faults (not choices). Btw: they could have opened the app to all sorts of remote controls... money money money |
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252life Inner circle Ninth Circle, Hades 2501 Posts
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After watching the videos I was hoping my unit was ok. No luck.
I appreciate the supplemental videos, and really hoped it was user error on my part. Guess I’ll get off my butt and try and exchange it. I love the size of the unit, effects, etc. if I can get a unit that works as it should, I’ll be very happy. Btw, it’s great to see Pete getting involved when I doubt he had to.
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The Unmasked Magician Inner circle If only I didn't have a wife and a kid I would have MUCH more than 1847 Posts
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On Sep 29, 2019, ArtIn wrote: LOL
Please check regularly if you are becoming the type of magician Jerry Seinfeld jokes about. (This applies to mentalists as well.)
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Peter_turner V.I.P. Bradford, West Yorkshire 1328 Posts
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On Sep 29, 2019, ArtIn wrote: 2 things. First, you clearly don’t know me - I don’t use electronics, I don’t advocate them - Id go as far as saying over indulgence makes people lazy. Ellusionist (or any company) couldn’t pay me enough to change my opinion. I am very good friends with Mark Lemon, as I said in the video - but he’d be the first to tell you I’d not used the device, looked at it or even thought about it. I can literally show you the email (the day I was filming) asking Ellusionist to send me the app so I did have an understanding and I didn’t receive it until 1 day later. So as far as saying it’s a script, you’re way off the mark (mind the pun). I couldn’t be paid to pretend. 2 - here lies the biggest problem in this market. Everything is an assumption that it’s some marketing strategy, I don’t play that game, don’t include me in it. Why didn’t I mention changing the keyboard? I don’t know about **** like that, so why would I mention it? In the space of a paragraph you defeated your own argument - if I really had of had time to play with this no stone would be unturned. Pete x |
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Peter_turner V.I.P. Bradford, West Yorkshire 1328 Posts
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*edit* no stone would be left unturned.
Pete x |
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The Unmasked Magician Inner circle If only I didn't have a wife and a kid I would have MUCH more than 1847 Posts
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On Sep 30, 2019, Peter_turner wrote: Hey Pete, Thanks for replying. I think you are a man of your word, so I believe your statement on your marketing being different. Good to know. Based on your statement above I would strongly advise you to not get involved in this product then, as you don't use it or advocate it. Stay out, especially since it's been a big mess since its release. If you are -in a way-endorsing it by appearing in a video that supports this, you will be held accountable for the quality of the product as well. And rightfully so, I think. You're in or you're out, know what I mean? This is all said with full respect. And of course you're a free man. So you can do whatever the *&^@ you want.
Please check regularly if you are becoming the type of magician Jerry Seinfeld jokes about. (This applies to mentalists as well.)
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252life Inner circle Ninth Circle, Hades 2501 Posts
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Pete’s just trying to be decent, helpful, and honest is my impression.
I’d hate for him, in the future, to not get involved in a (any) project because it’s would be safer to stay away. More is more. And for what it’s worth I appreciate his input, regardless of the product honestly.
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dooblehorn Inner circle Pittsburg, CA 2237 Posts
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On Sep 30, 2019, 252life wrote: Totally agree. Fwiw, my device works perfectly, memorizing what’s on the device b*****s is a wihole other story |
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The Unmasked Magician Inner circle If only I didn't have a wife and a kid I would have MUCH more than 1847 Posts
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On Sep 30, 2019, 252life wrote: Yeah, I considered that as well and it certainly is a valid point. Of course when Pete adds his insights and creativity that is a good thing always... I just feel that it’s a slippery slope to get involved in something that caused so many problems for so many people. I mean from E’s point of view getting Pete in on this IS a marketing-stunt, even though Pete feels he is helping out. Does that make sense?
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ArtIn Inner circle Berlin 1278 Posts
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On Sep 30, 2019, The Unmasked Magician wrote: It totally makes sense! |
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252life Inner circle Ninth Circle, Hades 2501 Posts
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I get where you’re coming from, my units faulty.
But, It looks like E’s trying to rectify things (guess I’ll know for sure when I return mine for a replacement lol). And if Pete wants to help things along, I’m good with that. I think he's bound to be a hugely positive influence on that company. I’m just a bit worried that he may be reluctant to get involved in these situations if he feels it will bring him grief. Worse case scenario, his input didn’t make my unit work any worse lol.
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Lonnie_Lyerla Veteran user 337 Posts
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On Sep 30, 2019, The Unmasked Magician wrote: I’m going to have to agree. With the way that most of the customers of console I know, share similar views on the product and customer service as I do, I can only see this Not going well.. I’m hoping that Mr Turner joining the team will eventually regain my attention for their products. Change is a good thing in this case. But this specific product is out matched imo. And it wouldnt matter who were to support/endorse it in this form. |
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dooblehorn Inner circle Pittsburg, CA 2237 Posts
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On Oct 1, 2019, Lonnie_Lyerla wrote: Please know Lonnie that you don’t speak for everyone; I’ve used my device a few times and it’s worked perfectly every time. |
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Peter_turner V.I.P. Bradford, West Yorkshire 1328 Posts
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My position at Ellusionist is nothing to do with helping other artists - I don’t even know what products Ellusionist have or haven’t filmed or who they are working with that’s not my area of expertise. Each person has a specific skill set that fits their role in the company. I’ve clearly stated I’m not a camera man or an editor and that’s not what my involvement in the company is.
I was heading to London to do some work (outside of Ellusionist) and “I” called Mark Lemon and asked him if “I” could shoot the project because of some of the posts I had read here. I delivered the project to Ellusionist as it is - They NEVER asked me to deliver it, I didn’t do it for marketing purposes and we are free to do what we decide creatively at Ellusionist they give us room to breath. This is me breathing and my choice, not Ellusionist’s - from a marketing perspective it doesn’t make sense anyway? Surely it’s better to spend time marketing the “latest and greatest” than something that’s been commercially available for months. In regards to someone mentioning me releasing my products, anything I release will retain the same quality people have become accustomed to there will be no change - except the camera work will be better and because I won’t be filming/ editing it I have time to focus on the smaller/ finer details I might have overlooked. Don’t instantly assume everyone’s intentions are the same, I’ve worked with many companies over the years and this has been by far my best experience. The staff are great, they are all creative and I come away feeling inspired every time we have a meeting. It’s refreshing. I’m giving an opinion from an educated perspective about the team and their intentions as I’m part of the meetings and I can see their intentions. Have an opinion about the product, what you like, what you don’t like and what you think should change - even if you hate this that’s fair also, but assuming intention when you don’t know the people involved or their marketing strategies doesn’t even logically make sense. Everything I said about Mark Lemon is 100% true also. I’ve just returned from Taipei today, so I’m going to nap. Jet lagged. Pete x |
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Peter_turner V.I.P. Bradford, West Yorkshire 1328 Posts
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On Sep 30, 2019, 252life wrote: Thanks, this is my intention in a nutshell. I’m here to help in anyway I can. We are all here (all posters in this thread) for the same thing, to share and perform amazing experiences for our audiences. Ellusionist have offered replacement units to people who have faulty units, I know they want this running smoothly for everyone. I’d love to hear from someone who’s received theirs. Pete x |
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252life Inner circle Ninth Circle, Hades 2501 Posts
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People familiar with you over the years know where you’re coming from Pete.
Thx again
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Lonnie_Lyerla Veteran user 337 Posts
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On Oct 2, 2019, dooblehorn wrote: Thankfully my comment spoke about people I know. You and I don’t know each other, so I was in no way referring to your experience. Which would make sense for my comment. You also may be one of the very few and rare who got a decent device. |
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