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Bobby Forbes
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I agree the performer can make or break a trick. Saying the tricks don't matter is a ridiculous statement. Trick selection absolutely does matter. It's a combination of both that make it entertaining.
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How do/did you feel about Carl Ballentine's trick selection?
Bobby Forbes
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Im a fan of Ballentine. Also a fan of the amazing Jonathan. I love comedy as much as the next guy. We are talking about magic and trick selection though correct? Try entertaining a "paying" adult crowd with the rubber pencil, and the old pulling off the thumb trick as your opening routine and let me know how that works out for you.

If you had a really important gig or say your making an appearance on TV. Would you do a variation of the magic coloring book or would you do one of your signature pieces? Id say you would target the masses and do something a little more amazing than a simple magic trick. You would opt for something you can perform really well and is super strong.

There is a reason people consider certain tricks "strong" and worth studying. that's because the tricks themselves are strong. The performer just highlights them. And YES the performer can absolutely make a great routine fall flat. Some routines just cannot become blockbusters no matter how "great" a performer is.

IF you actually sit down and think about it. A performer chooses his routines and tricks based on the reactions he gets from an audience. If he's a great performer and does a routine that doesn't get the reaction he wants, over a period of time he may just drop it and add in something stronger. He's still a great performer, but chose to get rid of a weak trick.
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I don't think it's worth the ink to state that certain tricks are inherently stronger, better than others. This is obvious.
But in the hands of a dull, boring, unskilled performer, the trick will fall flat. Whether it's Roth's Hanging Coins, Dingle's Rollover Aces, or the Broom and Egg Whap, or an origami bill.
Now, give a dynamite performer any of these, and I promise you, the audience, and the entertainment Booker, will prefer the skilled performer.
A rubber pencil, multiplying bananas a thimble, a magic square, a spelling effect in the hands of a good showman will always beat the strongest tricks in the hands of a dullard.
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On Jun 11, 2019, magicfish wrote:
I don't think it's worth the ink to state that certain tricks are inherently stronger, better than others. This is obvious.
But in the hands of a dull, boring, unskilled performer, the trick will fall flat. Whether it's Roth's Hanging Coins, Dingle's Rollover Aces, or the Broom and Egg Whap, or an origami bill.
Now, give a dynamite performer any of these, and I promise you, the audience, and the entertainment Booker, will prefer the skilled performer.
A rubber pencil, multiplying bananas a thimble, a magic square, a spelling effect in the hands of a good showman will always beat the strongest tricks in the hands of a dullard.



Agree, but when someone says "it's the performer that's important, not the tricks" that's a laughable statement. Both are important and the trick DOES matter.
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Thanks fellows for making my point. If you look at the old L n L videos, people were willing to put up with a lot. There have not always 100's of cable channels, so people were entertained easily back in the day, even with boring material. But now, people have changed. How? In their expectations of entertainment and their short attention span. To think otherwise is to be mentally challenged or just living in denial. There are certain tricks a charismatic performer can perform, like the rubber pencil and spelling tricks. But they will get paid for only one thing--not to come back.

Yes, great magic consists of the right tricks (and this can vary from one performer to the next) and also their ability to entertain an audience.
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On Jun 11, 2019, magicfish wrote:
I don't think it's worth the ink to state that certain tricks are inherently stronger, better than others. This is obvious.
But in the hands of a dull, boring, unskilled performer, the trick will fall flat. Whether it's Roth's Hanging Coins, Dingle's Rollover Aces, or the Broom and Egg Whap, or an origami bill.
Now, give a dynamite performer any of these, and I promise you, the audience, and the entertainment Booker, will prefer the skilled performer.
A rubber pencil, multiplying bananas a thimble, a magic square, a spelling effect in the hands of a good showman will always beat the strongest tricks in the hands of a dullard.



Agree, but when someone says "it's the performer that's important, not the tricks" that's a laughable statement. Both are important and the trick DOES matter.

And when people say, it’s the tricks that matter, not the performer, it is laughable. And ridiculous
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The double undercut performed in the "standard" way, taking cards from the bottom and bringing to the top. Always looks fishy. Can do the same thing by taking cards from the top and moving them to the bottom so it looks more like a "normal" cut.

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Hi Kevin, you are my type of magician. I also don't like doing anything that is unnatural, or rushed looking. I agree. It is better to make up your moves if you have to than to do things that just don't look right.
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The double undercut performed in the "standard" way, taking cards from the bottom and bringing to the top. Always looks fishy. Can do the same thing by taking cards from the top and moving them to the bottom so it looks more like a "normal" cut.

Kevin


I agree; the "standard" way doesn't look or feel right. I think it's better if it can be done as a series of small cuts from the hands to the table, performed as a casual background action.
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I use the double undercut a lot. Never seemed to look "fishy" to anyone - ever - over the many decades.
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I don’t like trick involving letters or numbers written on cards. Signatures are fine.
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