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countrymaven Inner circle 1428 Posts 
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I am spending some time developing this and thought it would be wise to ask others who already have their favorite card reversal.
I am asking for something that is virtually invisible surrounded. I have seen some reversals that were fairly obvious from the front, etc. For me at least, the reversal in the Singularity Invisible Deck is fairly easy to spot on the video. I am not trying to criticize others, just trying to find some things to work with. I will also contribute items to the post as I research it. thanks. |
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Steve Malco New user 30 Posts
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For me I get giddy when I use a "Browery Reversal", I remember being taught it by Gerry Griffin approximately 15 years ago and I fell in love with it.
Happiness is having a rare steak, a bottle of whisky, and a dog to eat the rare steak. -Johnny Carson
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countrymaven Inner circle 1428 Posts
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Thanks Steve, I almost apologize for this post. I didn't realize Vinny had just posted his. But this is different. I am asking for a reversal that is virtually invisible, surrounded. Standing.
Here is a quote from another thread: From what I have read about reverses, it's easiest and cleanest when you just Cop palm the bottom/top card with one hand, and with the other spread the cards out, showing them being a normal deck of cards. Then square the deck and put the deck back in your "copping hand" (reversing that Copped card). I think it works fine for me, but thank you guys for your replies |
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cfirwin3 Loyal user Rochester, New York 233 Posts
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If I wanted to be straight up invisible... no hint at strange moves... super clean and nearly hands off (as in setting the deck down immediately after reintroducing the target card)...
Honestly, I wouldn't reverse it at all. I would underspread force a dupe of an already reversed card, cut it back in, and then proceed to melt minds. That's an invisible "reversal" with the EFFECT of "reversal" in mind. This is like the concept of a bluff pass, which isn't a pass at all, but merely just seems to be. On the other hand if you are looking for a utility move to accomplish something other than a super duper clean reversal effect, then I go with a reversal of the bottom card on an overhand shuffle (sometimes attributed as a Braue Reversal). You can absolutely do this standing, completely surrounded, on the premise that people can't see through your body... and there is no reason why you can't shift your position as you work. Another sneaky way around the problem is once again to not actually reverse the target card... but to have an indifferent, already reversed card stand in for your target card and then switch it after extraction as you turn it face up for a reveal (via a DL or do it before with a top change, or second/bottom deal... just about any method to swap the fake for the actual card). I do an impromptu Thought-Of-Card Invisible Deck this way. |
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countrymaven Inner circle 1428 Posts
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Just a note: Thanks Steve. According to a post in 2004, the Browery Reversal is actually the Braue Reversal mispelled. I quote " in Volume 7 I read the 'Browery Reversal' when it should be the 'Braue Reverse'." This is volume 7 of complete card magic with Gerry Griffin. Since then, it has been corrected.
"Another sneaky way around the problem is once again to not actually reverse the target card... but to have an indifferent, already reversed card stand in for your target card and then switch it after extraction as you turn it face up for a reveal (via a DL or do it before with a top change, or second/bottom deal... just about any method to swap the fake for the actual card). I do an impromptu Thought-Of-Card Invisible Deck this way." Wow, cfirwin3 you are brilliant. I was wondering why this was not done in the invisible deck or brainwave. For the invisible deck, a card is turned face down. Then it is shown to be their thought of card. This would be easy if you have a good way to get ahold of that card. Just use any random card or a gaff card to show a card face down. But you would be burned a bit more since they had not seen the card. In a way, having the thought of card face up as in the brainwave would be the best way to get the heat off of a card switch. Because once they see a portion of that card, the trick is over to them. I am still obstinately working on an in your face reversal while going through the cards. I almost have it. It should be pretty much angle proof. |
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Steve Malco New user 30 Posts
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"Braue" not Browery. Thanks for the correction!
Happiness is having a rare steak, a bottle of whisky, and a dog to eat the rare steak. -Johnny Carson
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jcroop Special user 771 Posts
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Many like Ken Krenzel's "Mechanical Reverse"
Another simple method to leave the bottom card in your palm as you turn the deck over end for end on top of now reversed card. This may be the similar as the copping method above but I'm not sure as the turn over wasn't stated. |
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cfirwin3 Loyal user Rochester, New York 233 Posts
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On Jun 12, 2019, jcroop wrote: You know, I don't see why this wouldn't be nearly invisible from essentially all angles (assuming that you are standing and free to shift your position at will) if you just cradle the bottom card deeply in the hand as you turn the deck over SIDE to SIDE (rather than end for end). This motion has cover from every angle, because the card is buried and the deck is observably flipping. This is essentially the same thing as reversing on an overhand shuffle in that it reverses what was the bottom card and now places it on the top (with the deck ending face up... but you could just as easily start with the deck face up and end face down). You could even follow this with a quick spread for a last 'convincer' demonstrating regularity, retaining the flipped card in the final block of the spread. If turning the deck over has this kind of motivation, then this sort of procedure would essentially appear to be a "moveless" effect. The only issues to contend with would be prior control of the card to the bottom and then a follow up control to cut the deck (to centralize the flipped card). This is a "stupid easy" process, but probably as clean as it gets when you think about it. It's essentially still a form of Braue Reversal, where the deck (not the card) is being flipped. I think it is cleaner and more burnable to revolve the deck over the card rather than revolving the card around the deck... or taking up otherwise empty space that would need additional cover with a half-pass or flipping under a spread. All you need is motivation to flip the deck over, and that's easy to justify. |
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countrymaven Inner circle 1428 Posts
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You can find a large selection of reversals, including many of those mentioned, in Card College books 2 and 4.
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magicfish Inner circle 7016 Posts
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My favourite way to reverse s card is to reverse the deck (ala Rosini)
I also like Cervon's M.A. Reverse, Jennings' Larreverse, Lorayne's Universal Reversal, Lorayne's RTP. |
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Harry Lorayne 1926 - 2023 New York City 8558 Posts
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Absolutely. Some of the above just gotta' start reading the good stuff!!
[email]harrylorayne@earthlink.net[/email]
http://www.harrylorayne.com http://www.harryloraynemagic.com |
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Bob G Inner circle 2831 Posts
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Jcroop and Cfirwin3,
In both of the methods you suggest, whether turning the deck end-to-end or side-to-side, how do you avoid the noise of the deck scraping against the bottom card? From your description, Cfirwin3, I gather that the bottom card is back in sort of a gambler's cop position? If that's the case, how do you get into that position without being observed? Thanks, Bob |
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countrymaven Inner circle 1428 Posts
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Bob, frankly, you mentioned the problems shared by the reversals mentioned or perhaps all reversals generally known to magicians. Either there can be or will be significant noise, or the reversal is visible, even if the magician is not aware of it. Because of that I developed a virtually silent and invisible reversal. Basically under conditions and simple handling of the deck that would make a reversal impossible. I wanted to really do the brainwave or invisible deck with no gaffs. perhaps knowing the order of the cards, which does not detract from the effect. But nothing else. So you have made a very important point. Just because you can get away with a reversal does not mean it is good stuff. I am looking for great stuff that I am never caught at. That is all I will consider using in my paid performances.
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j100taylor Inner circle 1198 Posts
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Automatic reversal - Ken Krenzal
Lakewood, Ohio
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arthur stead Inner circle When I played soccer, I hit 1777 Posts
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Just do a double undercut ...
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Bob G Inner circle 2831 Posts
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Arthur, could you explain how to use a double undercut to reverse a card? I know the DU, but I'm not seeing how to do the reverse. If necessary you could PM me to avoid exposure.
Thanks for your help, Bob |
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magicfish Inner circle 7016 Posts
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On Jun 14, 2019, countrymaven wrote: Wow you sure do invent a lot of new sleights. |
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countrymaven Inner circle 1428 Posts
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Necessity is the mother of invention. It's not that I want to. I just don't believe, just because some video seller or book author recommends it, that it is actually invisible, natural, doable, and undetectable. It is a lot of work. But when it works it is really worth it, not to worry in a performance.
If I was just doing this for friends or a small group once in a while, it wouldn't matter so much. |
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arthur stead Inner circle When I played soccer, I hit 1777 Posts
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On Jun 15, 2019, Bob G wrote: PM'd you. Bob. |
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magicfish Inner circle 7016 Posts
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On Jun 15, 2019, countrymaven wrote: I hear ya. Those crowned heads of Europe deserve only the finest. Good on you for not settling for the feeble attempts at deception by Vernon, Miller, Hofzinser, Annemann, James etc. Sure they were clever, but we need stuff that actually fools people. Can't wait for your book. |
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