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Jonathan Townsend
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Looks like some tools are getting advertised:
https://elie.net/blog/security/fuller-ho......devices/

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"A group of guys got away with it for almost a year" ... "Someone calls an all in preflop with 9-2o vs KK"

Thank you for sharing. There was a post about this device here a while ago.
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Not to be over pedantic, but wouldn't this be cheating and not advantage play?
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On Jun 17, 2019, Last Laugh wrote:
Not to be over pedantic, but wouldn't this be cheating and not advantage play?

You're not being pedantic at all, you're being accurate.

There was a time when folks posting to this forum actually understood the subject matter ... unfortunately, those days are long gone.
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On Jun 17, 2019, Last Laugh wrote:

Not to be over pedantic, but wouldn't this be cheating and not advantage play?


I don't understand. Why would knowing what cards your opponent has, or will subsequently receive, constitute cheating?

After all, no cheating sleight of hand manipulation is being used, the backs of the cards are not marked and no one is actually physically reading the cards from the backs as they would with block out, line work, shade or the like? To use these techniques would of course be very naughty, highly unethical and arguably may possibly constitute cheating.

However, the backs of the cards are not marked in this instance which makes all the difference...no one is actually reading the cards from the backs. Having a device (which cannot make moral judgments and by definition is innocent of guile and deception) read the sides of the cards electronically and not have the player actually do so...well shucks, seems to me this is just the application of innocuous scientific play. Sort of like reading an opponent's tell to get a handle on what he holds. It seems to be a real stretch of the imagination to call this clever technique cheating.

No! Definitely devious but not cheating IMO.

Science is being used here so almost by definition this methodology is just the application of very clever scientific play.
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Nevada State law paraphrases a "cheating device" as follows:

A cheating device in gambling is any outside device created, designed, or used to give a person an advantage in a casino game. These devices achieve this by:

Projecting or changing an outcome
Analyzing gambling probabilities
Giving a person a strategy in any type of casino game
Keeping track of cards


So this would most definitely be a "cheating device", and would similarly most definitely constitute cheating.
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On Jun 18, 2019, Mr. Bones wrote:

Nevada State law paraphrases a "cheating device" as follows:

A cheating device in gambling is any outside device created, designed, or used to give a person an advantage in a casino game.


My dear Mr. Bones. If this was in response to my post of June 18, 2019 above in which I argued that use of the cell device in question was not cheating but really advantage play...of course I was joking. It was my feeble attempt at humor...a "tongue in cheek" response if you will to the statement cited in the post.

However, possibly some may have taken it seriously.

Perhaps I should have included smiling faces, LOLs etc., to signify humor. However, just to clarify, just in case anyone took my post seriously...the use of this device or any variation thereof --- IS CHEATING --- plain and simple.

How could anyone think otherwise?
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I thought you'd gone off your nut Cag.
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I thought you'd gone off your nut Cag.


I may have, but that is a completely different discussion. Smile
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