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MiNiM
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I've noticed that there's been some mention of the effectiveness versus the bulk and meesiness of the Bill in Lemon trick. Have any of you street guys tried substituting one of the many versions of the Bill (signed or not) in a balloon or balloon animal?
Would they play as well? They're certainly more portable and nowhere near as messy. (Lower in Vitamin C, though!)

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Interesting, but then the card could be anywhere.

Part of the appeal of the Lemon is that it is impossible and totally unexpected.

"Things" can go into a balloon because it is know to be a container (air) and so it is a possible, but unexpected revelation.

On the other hand, a fresh lemon is "sealed" and the reaction more than unexpected, it is "That was impossible!"

So although there is mess involved, but in my opinion that is just part of the price for a slam dunk killer effect.

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I would say the mess is part of the experience and cements the effect in the audience's minds.
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Somewhat less messy and just as amazing is Carl Cloutier's signed bill to a kiwi that a spec has been holding all through the act.

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Personally I love John Carneys Bill in Lemon and to fix the messy part either give them their bill in a napkin after you wipe it as dry as you can get it(which is not very dry) or just give them a new bill of same value.
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Michael Ammar doesn't only make the bill appear in the lemon, he makes the lemons restore itself to normal and he finds the bill again! Smile
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I have done the bill to lemon on the street and it KILLS. I closed with it.

The problems with the trick are many, lugging gratuitous amounts of fruit, getting rid of the lemon carcases after the trick, returning wet bills, etc..

I am particularly partial to Steve Spill's handling of the trick and I have a routine that works well for me.

But, The Jim Cellini/Max Malini routine explained in mr. Cellini's book "The Royal Touch" and also available seperatly from the Zauberladen site is fantastic and eliminates the very wet bill. in this handling the bill is dampened not soaked.

When I did this method I varied from the descrition given in the book only in the vanish and reproduction of the cigarette.

The book tells you to fold the bill, I did not. I rolled it to the same size and shape as a cigarette and used a sleight used to vanish a cigarette. I found it made the production more realistic.

Both of these are great methods for doing the trick.

I hate to tip my next remark, but I will. Just know that I think this is so good that I will regret tipping it later.

If you fold the bill into quarters, switch it for a flash bill using the Jim Ryan/Johnny paul/Tom Mullica "tearadidle" handling for the switch and not the tear. It is a very easy manner to reach into your pocket dropping the (Signed) bill, coming out with a lighter and ignighting the bill. Then carry on as if that were the end of the trick.

here's the good part. before you start your show you hand someone a black balloon and ask them to hang on to it for you as you will need it later.

Then do your opener, and then borrow and burn the borrowed signed bill (using flash bill switch).

Now do your second to close remarking the entire time about the spectators lost bill using your favorite bits of business.

As a closer pull out a needle or hat pin and hand it to Mr. Borrowed bill. Then ask the balloon guy to shake the balloon and ask if he/she hears anything (They will because the balloon is gimmiked ala Mark Janest "Billoon").

Grab the balloon, have Mr. Borrowed Bill poke it with needle, balloon pops, signed bill drops to the ground, spectator is happy, magician looks brilliant, and once again life is good and all is well with the universe.

pass hat, rinse and repeat.

Don't say I never gave you nothing boys and girls. If you are familiar with the methods I've described you know this is a monemaker just remember it was Danny Hustle that give it to ya'.

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On 2002-07-20 19:45, BroDavid wrote:
"Things" can go into a balloon because it is know to be a container (air) and so it is a possible, but unexpected revelation.

On the other hand, a fresh lemon is "sealed" and the reaction more than unexpected, it is
"That was impossible!"


Excellent legal thinking! A+ Smile


Why mess around with bills? Let 'em pick a playing card and make it unique, with signatures, torn off corners and whatever there is.

Sure, a bill suggests tipping according to the rule of association but I wouldn't attach too much importance to this. Being explicit about money helps a lot more.

I, personally, would be really annoyed if someone soaks my bills in lemon juice, even if he suggests afterwards to exchange it. It certainly puts the magician in a defensive position and you wouldn't want that to happen.

Cheers, Chris

Also for street magic, I'd suggest oranges instead of lemons for they are (usually) bigger.

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I was thinking about doing bill-to-
Craker-Jack's Surprise (there's on in every box)

what do you think about that?

Seems a lot easier to do Bill-to-Certs or something like that than use lemons and oranges while walking around
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Could you explain to a non-American what a Craker-Jack's Surprise is?

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Christof,

Cacker jacks are a confection of popcorn coated with caramel, and some peanuts tossed in, that come in a waxed box, and always (since the beginning in early 1900's) has included a "surprise".

Originally neat little tin, or even cast metal toys, etc, they changed to plastic, and lately are nothing more than paper or stickers. But nonetheless a surprise.

And because the package is so well sealed to assure freshness, a card, or bill appearing in a sealed box, would be a pretty good surprise.

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Christof sez:

"Why mess around with bills? Let 'em pick a playing card and make it unique, with signatures, torn off corners and whatever there is."

and
"I, personally, would be really annoyed if someone soaks my bills in lemon juice, even if he suggests afterwards to exchange it. It certainly puts the magician in a defensive position and you wouldn't want that to happen."

Hi Christof-
It's certainly a personal choice, whether to use a bill or a card. I use either, depending on the situation. A bill is good because it's not yours, and therefore can't be "funny money" or any gaffed magician prop. That's very strong. When I show them their SIGNED bill in the kiwi, they can't believe it! I always offer them a towel, and I also offer to trade them for a completely dry bill if they want it. No one has ever appeared offended. If I'm walking around with cards, then I'll use a card with a torn off corner. I recently attended a lecture by Gaeton Bloom where he did some dynamite card to impossible location effects using his "Intercessor". It's a matter of personal preference. You could try both and see which you like best.
Good luck!

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BroDavid,
That's a better explaination than I could have ever given. Yes, someone a few weeks ago gave me a box of craker-jacks and when I opened it up the first thing I thought of was that it could be used for a very cool magic trick.

Now I just have to think of how that effect could be done over and over.
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I have been performing the bill (and card) to fruit (lemon, orange, and even an apple) for over 25 years. I have performed it over a thousand times. In all that time I have never had anyone complain about their bill being a little moist from the fruit! Notice that I say “little moist”. That is because the routine I tend to use does not end up with the bill soaked! In fact the bill doesn’t have to be moist at all.

I tend to use the thinking of Ray Grismer’s brilliant routine and a bit that Cellini showed me in the 70’s (and tips in his book) for the routine I use. I don’t get messy (thanks Ray) and the bill doesn’t get messy (thanks Jim) and the SIGNED bill still ends up in the center of a lemon (or whatever).

I have performed Mark Jenest’s version of bill/card to balloon. It is a good impromptu looking routine (as impromptu as carrying a balloon around can be!).

For me, it seems that the signed bill to fruit gets a stronger response than the signed bill to balloon. However, it may simply be my handling of the balloon effect.

Bottom line is that a signed bill or card to any impossible location plays strong. Strong enough to close a show and strong enough to overcome a little mess!
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On 2002-07-24 22:41, mumblepeas wrote:
I have performed Mark Jenest’s version of bill/card to balloon. It is a good impromptu looking routine (as impromptu as carrying a balloon around can be!).


Carrying around a bag of gimmicked balloons to be blown up just before each show is MUCH more convinient than carrying around a big bag of lemons (I do 30 or 40 shows per day when I work the street)

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For me, it seems that the signed bill to fruit gets a stronger response than the signed bill to balloon. However, it may simply be my handling of the balloon effect.


You are 100% right on here mumblepeas. Almost nothing gets more of a reaction than a bill coming out of a lemon. I think part of this is a lemon is a sealed container sealed by (insert chosen diety here) Where as a balloon is sealed by a knot put in by me.

I have used the balloon for my ease not because it played better.

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Bottom line is that a signed bill or card to any impossible location plays strong. Strong enough to close a show and strong enough to overcome a little mess!


Agreed.

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I would think of doing both! Having had people stay, or return for another show. having a different ending could be cool! only take a dozen or so lemons, the rest balloons.
I have to learn this trick sometime Smile
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I’ve gotten the same reaction with bill to balloon as I have with bill to lemon. A superb method for bill to balloon is mark jenest’s billoon, its very practical for the street or walk around performer. Once you blow up a balloon and then borrow a bill and cause to appear inside the balloon, they freak, becuz they can remember the instance you blew up the balloon, which was b4 u even borrowed the bill. They create this magical timeline in their mind that really makes the effect amazing. After all, the real magic happens in the mind of the spectators not on any close-up mat.
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See my previous post in this thread for my handling of Mark Jenest's Billoon.
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one of the biggest laughs I get, is the joke I make when returning the wet bill: "The bill is a little juicy, but I always pay back a loan with interest."
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I'm kinda traditionalist.

If you put the bill carefully in the center of the lemon, it doesn't get THAT messy.

I use a craft stick.

I feel that the small amount of juice that comes out with the bill adds to the "magic" of it.

At least they know you didn't pull a switch or something.

The Cracker Jack thing is a pretty nifty thing, and I'm giving it some thouhgt for another effect.

If someone has ideas on how to undetectably open up the box and reseal it, please PM me.

I use a (pretty opaque dollar store "metalic") balloon with Scotch and Soda.

Blow up the balloon.

Display the S&S coins.

I wrap the two coins in FP. POOF!

The copper is gone.

Then I break the balloon... VOILA!

There's the copper.


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