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Sethekk New user 51 Posts |
I understand there’s no gimmicks - does this mean the same routine can be performed using a borrowed coin?
Does anyone have insights in to how long this would take to master? It sounds fairly complicated if there’s a learning accessory |
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Hustler2014 New user 62 Posts |
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On Jun 28, 2019, Sethekk wrote: On the link in the first post it says whatever object you decide to use is completely examinable, so I'm assuming it could be borrowed? |
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kissdadookie Inner circle 4275 Posts |
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On Jun 28, 2019, Sethekk wrote: I'm pretty sure that the object can be anything suitable for hiding in ones hands (so you wouldn't want something super large because that's very obvious which hand the object is in). I have speculated as to what the learning accessory is and if my speculation is not far off, it shouldn't be complicated because what that deck will act as is dozens upon dozens and more of practice without the need for an actual live spectator to practice on. So that deck is likely the equivalent of having a deck of spectators if you will, that you can randomize so that you can have a good amount of practice for gauging the variances in responses. I don't think its crucial but I foresee it reducing your practice down dramatically since you have essentially a deck of spectators to practice with at will (so think of that as being able to practice on dozens upon dozens of spectators in your own home or on the bus or what not whenever you wish and for however much you wish). So this helps for people that are not comfortable performing for a live audience using material they are not 100% confident in yet as well as help people cut down on practice overall (so helping you achieve that 100% confidence in a shorter amount of time). |
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magicmind Inner circle My fence has 20, 3226 Posts |
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On Jun 28, 2019, kissdadookie wrote: Thnks for sharing your thoughts. I purchased the whole thing. I had the same thought of the deck. I have V2 and a few other things on this in my library, but if you don't use it you lose it. Hopefully the deck will get me back on track quickly and maybe help me with the others. |
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kissdadookie Inner circle 4275 Posts |
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On Jun 28, 2019, magicmind wrote: From the ad-copy, I think this might be one of those things where you learn it/know it and you basically can do it for life once you are confident with it. V2 and methods such as Tequila Hustler, those you do have to keep much of it in memory since they are script and sequence dependent (but the basic principle is very easy to remember, if you study the scripts though, the scripts for V2 and Tequila Hustler have been structured in a very specific way though both so that the subject can follow the directions to a T as well as help obfuscate the actual method at play). Remember, the ad-copy says no gimmicks and no verbal procedures or any procedure really, this leads me to believe that this is likely something where you learn to gauge things quickly and accurately by something or things that happen naturally (so the secret would be that you know what you're looking for essentially, as well as how to maneuver when you may be unsure or possibly second guessing, so that you can recover from that without anybody noticing). These are just speculations, I'm awaiting my copy |
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Gaz Lawrence Inner circle 5991 Posts |
I agree it must be visual , if you get someone to put an object in one hand sight unseen and then bring both hands forward .
You will notice certain things that will 90% of the time lead you to the correct hand imo . You can on those other 10% use word play as an out from my experience. This is my opinion your mileage may vary Gaz 🙂 |
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Sethekk New user 51 Posts |
I've placed my order.
Im quite certain its visual and kinda hope it is. The training deck sounds like a great idea, I'm always worried about trying to perform tricks live for the first time and hopefully this will boost my confidence. The performance is great and looking forward to reading. |
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the Sponge Inner circle Atlanta 2776 Posts |
I wonder how different this is/what it adds to Prevaricator by Patrick Redford?
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Hustler2014 New user 62 Posts |
Yes, surely the training deck is just going to be photos of various hand positions that you can work through and learn what each hand shape looks like holding an object, compared to the hand shapes not holding an object? If you stand infront of a mirror you can do this yourself, but the deck will make it easier to learn without needing someone in front of you.
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Last Laugh Inner circle Grass Valley, California 3498 Posts |
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On Jun 29, 2019, the Sponge wrote: Must be different. Prevaricator requires verbal direction. This is said to be able to be done silently. Quote:
On Jun 29, 2019, Hustler2014 wrote: Seems unlikely to me. Kieron actually said it could be done with an imaginary coin with practice.
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Sethekk New user 51 Posts |
Imaginary coin ?! That’s sounds amazing.
I was thinking the same as the post above, pictures of hands in different positions then when you turn the card over, it has a coin / no coin. |
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kieronthemighty Special user 617 Posts |
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Gaz Lawrence Inner circle 5991 Posts |
Can be done in silence and with no coin ? Certainly sounds impossible and impressive but also impossible to prove you were right unless the spectator has to write things down etc Gaz 🙂
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Hustler2014 New user 62 Posts |
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On Jun 29, 2019, Sethekk wrote: I was thinking the opposite about the imaginary coin! How can you possibly prove anything if the person is just imagining the coin! Guaranteed to get the smart Alec who will say you got it wrong, even when you actually get it correct. Unless it was literally one to one with nobody else around, I think you need something physical to prove the outcome, otherwise there's no theatre for spectators. |
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Hustler2014 New user 62 Posts |
Lol, beat me to it Gaz!
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kieronthemighty Special user 617 Posts |
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On Jun 29, 2019, Hustler2014 wrote: I guess it all comes down to crowd management trust and experience. The original way has the coin it a advanced version is a additional option. Kind regards Kieron |
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Sethekk New user 51 Posts |
Oh no I completely agree! Similar to why I like spectators to write the word they are thinking of down.
I more meant that the method can be performed with no coin sounds really impressive. Makes me more and more curious about how it works, I was nearly certain it was a visual thing. |
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Gaz Lawrence Inner circle 5991 Posts |
Thanks for all the info on this thread Kieron , best wishes Gaz 🙂
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Tom Cutts Staff Northern CA 5930 Posts |
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On Jun 29, 2019, Hustler2014 wrote: Just because some can’t do something doesn’t mean it can’t be, or isn’t already being done. |
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Patrick Redford Inner circle Michigan 1751 Posts |
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On Jun 29, 2019, Last Laugh wrote: Just to note: Prevaricator also describes ways to do which hand and the main routine without asking any questions or using verbal subterfuge. It's a massive project and most of it usually overlooked with MANY contributors with wonderful methods and ideas. That said, I haven't yet had a chance to check out Timon's new work, but knowing him, I'm sure its wonderful and worth your time and study. |
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