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On Jul 17, 2019, taller8 wrote:
Thanks, I figured it would have those sven handlings. I just need to decide if the sven feature is worth the handling limitations.


Thanks for your question and your pre-order.

1) Every prop or book test for that matter has limitations - nothing is unlimited.

2) I am quite certain you will find that the assumed limitations handling with Svengali with our CELEBRITY PRESAGE book test is not a big deal. Why? Because the pages are cut to a truly insane 1/32" between long & short. Then we bind the books after hand testing each in Phoenix, AZ USA.

3) As Mike showed in the video, you can hand the book to someone on your left and they can casually thumb through it - and see only indifferent pages on BOTH sides. And THEY are handling the book - with no worries. They can read some funny celebrity quotes too. No problem. We have a video on our PDF page with Danny Orleans (with our stage size notebook) that shows how easy the handling is.

4) We will also be teaching a brand new TABLE HANDLING of the for*e. This new idea will allow you to put the book on the table, have the spectator take the book naturally, and open it - no moves, no nothing. Bam, so easy and clean

5) On our private FB group page Jon Allen and Madison Hangler BOTH generously posted new handling videos which are so perfect for F'ing and handling

6) The PPNS (perfect page numbering system) allows an insanely fair handling. 10 different people could all call different page #'s - and the performer can decide ANYTIME which one will get the for*e. Ultra cleanly. Effortlessly

7) The Celebrity Presage book handles FRONT TO BACK in both the display and For*ing modes -there is never an inconsistency

8) If the book is just lying around and they riffle front to back (as seen in Mike's video) they will see nada. I don't leave my book tests lying around usually though

9) The V gimmick allows secondary methods of forc*ing - burying & layering the methods

When this comes out at Magic Live! we will be releasing a 1 min video teaser PLUS a full end to end performance so you can all see EVERYTHING. No BS, no hype, we will lay it all on the table for you - so you can see for yourselves why this may be the BEST BOOK TEST released in many years. I promise.
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On Jul 18, 2019, Jupiter47 wrote:
The original is truly one of the best effects in my set


Thank you! And this one will knock your socks off as it handles far better (front to back all phases, same handling odd or even) along with the V gimmick, WikiTest words built in, and much more...
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It sounds incredible Brett! I don’t perform much anymore but always felt like this amazing trick never got the exposure that it deserved. I’m glad you and Mike have put your minds together to breathe new life into it. Such a commercial piece of entertainment
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Thanks Brett for the lengthy response.

I was reading a Sven thread discussing different handlings, and one noted performer just keeps things in his hands and doesn't bother handing the pad out.
I think I may adopt that handling with the book just to avoid the ‘teaching’ sequence and negating any possibility of a spec exposing the Sven gaff.
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This is a beautiful book test, that looks and feels like a real book! the page number method for choosing the page and showing the pages either side is genius! add in different reveals and Wiki test words and you have a winner.

Hightly recommeded.
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So I'm assuming you need the wiki test program to utilize the wiki words? Bit of a ‘duh’ question, but it never hurts to clarify.
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So I'm assuming you need the WikiTest program to utilize the wiki words? Bit of a ‘duh’ question, but it never hurts to clarify.


No you do not need to have the WikiTest app in order to use our book test. We incorporated those words and there are nine of them so that people who already are using WikiTest do not have to relearn nine brand new words. If you work with enough book tests you know that re-learning words can be a pain. So if you now own or use WikiTest now, you already know the words.

To make it super easy even for beginners we have put a crib in it very easy to see secret spot so that all the words are literally staring at you at anytime you want.

There is a very easy mnemonic for remembering the words. We also do think that once you learn them you’ll probably want to buy the WikiTest app because it is easily one of the best apps that has ever been created for magicians or Mentalists.

Our book comes with a 29 page written PDF instructional And we are going to be shooting a video instructional while we are in Las Vegas next month @ Magic Live. The PDF comes with multiple full routines and scripting.
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Taller 8 asked me a GREAT question which I will answer here:

QUESTION:

"Hi Brett,

So if I am reading your post correctly, someone calls out page 18, I can flip through the pages showing different celebs, then when I get to page 18, I can utilize the Sven principle and shift where I'm flipping to get to the f*rce page and the numbering will fall in line?

So it works much like the coloring book principle? That really would be great if that was the case adding to the visual excellence of your sven precision."

ANSWER:

NO. Our newly updated system in Celebrity Presage works much FAR more perfectly & simply than what you described above. There is no need to SHIFT where you are flipping. No shifting, Nothing shifty.

This ain't a kids coloring book. Yes they use the same principle, but anyone who has ever owned one of our SvenPads® knows that our pages are cut insanely tightly on the long & short to less than 1/32". A 130 page book as we created here is an extremely complex and time consuming project. We also hand check every book before it goes to our bindery in Phoenix, AZ USA. When you see the final result you won't believe your eyes.

SO here is how it plays...

1) You can naturally flip/display the book front to back, and all pages show different famous celebrities & quotes - on both sides (left and right pages)

2) Pages are numbered plainly page 1 to 130

3) Unlimited people can call a page number, and you simply flip front to back to their exact page and read the celebrity. The spectators can be surrounding you and watching your every move, as there are ZERO moves to see Smile

For example: One spectator calls out page 14, you flip to their EXACT PAGE & show page 14 has Kim Kardashian and can read a funny quote- someone else says page 31, and you flip to their EXACT PAGE & show them Jay-Z and read a funny quote - someone else says page 104, you flip to their EXACT PAGE & show Mick Jagger and read a funny quote (you can do this all night long if you want)

4) When you are ready to for*e - lets say that person calls out page 118. You flip front to back (and everyone can see different celebs going by). You stop at page 117, and with your index finger flip one single page to page 118. No moves, no work, no shifting, nothing funky, nothing to see. When you flip that one single page more, you will be on their EXACT PAGE (pages 118 on the left, and 119 on the right - absolutely 100% perfect)

5) With our PPNS system you can F at will, whenever you want - in real time. This will be the cleanest and most deceptive F you have ever seen.

6) Remember that you have many other options: You have the WikiTest words on the F pages, you can F a specific movie, you can F a different celebrity using our new included V gimmick (extra V gimmicks will be sold separately in pairs - available at Magic Live! or by our two exclusive dealers Hocus Pocus & Saturn Magic).

https://svenpads.com/products/v-gimmick-......86910553

Celebrity Presage comes with a detailed 29 page PDF of instructions & multiple full routines WITH SCRIPTS + video instructional.

Thanks for your questions and I look forward to seeing many of you at Magic Live in a few weeks - we will have 100 books on hand for the release there.
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Brett, in regards to statement #4 above, can you clarify why spectators would not presume that you have simply memorized all the pages and would therefore know what (or who) is on page 118?

Also, as with any of your Sven products, can’t a spectator open the book themselves and get the force page?

Finally, other than being a bookmark, I have no idea what the V Gimmick is. When do we find out how that is used in conjunction with the book?

I’m amazed at how you manage to keep coming up with these new ideas and products in such quick succession and keep expanding your Sven empire.
Most people in your position would still be resting on their laurels and only selling stage and pocket sized pads.
I only hope the pressure of creating new and different products doesn’t push you off the deep end as I’m sure it would me.
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You can do mind-reading with Celebrity Presage and you can do a prediction. We don't recommend doing mind-reading with the page number force for the very reason you mentioned, that is someone may think you memorized the whole book. Of course, that would be quite an accomplishment. It took me a month to memorize a stack. Still, it is better to use the page number force to force a prediction. For a mind-reading effects flip the pages or let the person open anywhere or use the V-gimmick. You can also divine a thought-of WikiTest word, describe a thought-of picture or the title of a movie.
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Brett, in regards to statement #4 above, can you clarify why spectators would not presume that you have simply memorized all the pages and would therefore know what (or who) is on page 118?

Also, as with any of your Sven products, can’t a spectator open the book themselves and get the force page?

Finally, other than being a bookmark, I have no idea what the V Gimmick is. When do we find out how that is used in conjunction with the book?

I’m amazed at how you manage to keep coming up with these new ideas and products in such quick succession and keep expanding your Sven empire.
Most people in your position would still be resting on their laurels and only selling stage and pocket sized pads.
I only hope the pressure of creating new and different products doesn’t push you off the deep end as I’m sure it would me.


"Brett, in regards to statement #4 above, can you clarify why spectators would not presume that you have simply memorized all the pages and would therefore know what (or who) is on page 118?"

I think Mike above answered this perfectly. We actually mention this in detail in the PDF instructions. Perform Celebrity Presage as a PREDICTION or influence (use our perfect page numbering system) OR perform as a mind reading/mental piece (use Svengali). As you said, you would not want to use the page # system for mind reading as some would assume you memorized the book. But for a prediction, the PPNS absolutely destroys. Great question Smile

"Also, as with any of your Sven products, can’t a spectator open the book themselves and get the force page?"

YES!!! Also I came up with a brand new "table" handling idea for a Sven fo*ce which we explain in the PDF- and because of the weight and precision of the book, it is probably my #1 fave handling of them all for Sven with this book. Easy and clean.

We also teach a new hold the book in your right hand and simply open with your left idea - that is so simple and direct. We teach SIX different handling of doing a Sven Fo*ce, and 5 of them are in the spectator's hands.

"Finally, other than being a bookmark, I have no idea what the V Gimmick is. When do we find out how that is used in conjunction with the book?"

Well I can't give you guys all the secrets, but anyone who has owned Steve Valentine's "Booked" or watched the streaming will have an IDEA of what the V gimmick does but what I created is a bit different than anything he taught. I have been using a gimmick like this since 2012. We will have some videos before Live! soon where you can see these things in action. I am really proud of this gimmick, but it is really a fantastic "extra" to the overall package. How is it used? It basically lets you do a fast 2nd celebrity for*e in about 5 seconds with no sven and no PPNS. I am very grateful to Steve for allowing us permission to make the V gimmick (the V stands for Valentine).

"I’m amazed at how you manage to keep coming up with these new ideas and products in such quick succession and keep expanding your Sven empire. Most people in your position would still be resting on their laurels and only selling stage and pocket sized pads.
I only hope the pressure of creating new and different products doesn’t push you off the deep end as I’m sure it would me."

Well having 2 daughters in college now at the same time really does wonders for your creativity! But in all seriousness, I think of the Sven products as something like the hamburger. Everyone thinks they know a burger. The burger up until maybe 10 years ago got little respect - oldest food since whatever, billions eaten, nothing new. Then some started using far better meat, better toppings, brioche or softer buns. Even In 'N Out burger from CA got new respect - for doing simple things exceedingly well. What is the best seasoning on a steak? Salt & pepper almost always. But changing the cooking method, charcoal or gas - cooking time etc can be the difference between good and unbelievable.

With SvenPads® I have tried to take something that is exceedingly simple (the principle goes back to the year 1550 and is the oldest on recorded magic) and seeing it through new eyes. We seek to create tools that feel brand new (many are) - perfectly made, and devastatingly powerful products that look 100% like they are from Walgreens or Walmart - not the magic shop.

And for those who assumed that they all knew the old coloring book kids trick or Brodien TV Magic Cards (which got little respect - just like the lowly hamburger), I believed that there were (and still are) powerful new secrets to uncover still. Because we now have 17 different products, my manufacturer and I know Svengali better than anyone on Earth. With the help now of other performers and users like you who are part of our family, the ideas keep growing and we are having fun.

We will never be the cheapest, but we will be the most innovative & best with no compromises. I promise. Thanks for your support!
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I cant decide if I'm more excited about the new book or having a designer hamburger.


Ill take a Sven burger with fries please, extra mayo, but I guess you knew Id order that.
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I would relish both Gaz 😉
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Oh oh, look out, I see Ketchup and Mustard puns on the horizon.
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I don't know about a pun but I will take ketchup and mustard on my bun.
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Just a reminder that we will have 100 Celebrity Presage books at our booth @ Magic Live! Mike Maione and I will be there to show all the workings, and we will have a dedicated person there to take care of orders. I suggest arriving either Sunday night or Monday if you want one - which is also at the intro price of $99 (only at Live!).

We will also have both Power Pack sets of our V gimmicks at Magic Live! for extra forcing possibilities with the book (one set is Lady Gaga/Brad Pitt and the other is Elton John/Angelina Jolie). One V gimmick comes with the book (Beyonce) and the power pack sets are $40 each. This is a BRAND NEW gimmick we created - it is exquisite, and based on the ideas of Steve Valentine (who gave his blessing) and Al Baker (who could not give his blessing as he came up with the base idea in the 1920's!).

Comes with a 29 page PDF (now) and extensive video instructions (available after Magic Live). Full end-to-end performance teaser will be available just before Magic Live.

The F pages contain for the first time all 9 WikiTest words (from the app) so if you have WikiTest you are ready to roll since you already KNOW the words. If not, the V gimmick has a crib for instant use Smile

There will be ONLY 2 GOLD DEALERS for the first 90 days after Live! No other wider distribution until November (No Penguin, No Vanishing Inc, etc).

HOCUS POCUS (USA) offers pre-sales for release August 9th https://hocus-pocus.com/magicshop/index.cfm?p=57228
SATURN MAGIC (UK) offers pre-sales for release August 9th https://www.saturnmagic.co.uk/saturn-mag......rry.html

The dealers above will have limited stocks on hand.

Very excited about this release. I absolutely promise you that this book test will far exceed your expectations! The book is very funny (celebrity quotes) and came out beautifully.

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To quote Brett Barry:
“Comes with a 29 page PDF (now) and extensive video instructions (available after Magic Live). Full end-to-end performance teaser will be available just before Magic Live.”

So the video will come after Magic Live, and from what I know of Brett, it won’t be very long after.
Can't believe how Brett keeps managing to come up with these new products. I wish I would have hit buy immediately after receiving his email announcement but I forgot and ran a couple errands first and by then it was too late. I’ll have to wait for the general release. But I’m super excited to get this.
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David @ MagicOrthodoxy just posted a “get to the point” pre-review of our new baby CELEBRITY PRESAGE today.

I’m guessing the full review with all the details will be out within the week. But here’s an appetizer. Please come to our SvenPads booth EARLY as we expect a sellout. If you are not attending Magic Live!, pre-sales are (I think) still available at Saturn Magic (UK) and Hocus Pocus (USA). See you at our booth! All the WikiTest words are BUILT-In.

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THANKS Brett - here is the full video review: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZadVNmHLRXk
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GREAT REVIEW!!! Thank you David.

I am also looking forward to feedback from the 50+ pre-sales which all went out yesterday being sent all over the globe (2 days earlier than promised). I expect we will see real world impressions soon.

After watching the review, I also wanted to mention I LOVE that it highlights all the powerful features of the book! BUT it makes me sound like the main one who did all the work on this beautiful book test - and the reality is that my partner MIKE MAIONE is an equal partner who was responsible for the sweat and hard work in making Celebrity Presage a reality Smile

I'm definitely not complaining, but I would like to make sure credit is bestowed where it is due.

Mike Maione originated and developed the main concept, wrote the original comedy text, did all the page designs (he did the insides and I did the covers) and worked side by side to incorporate all of the new enhancements.

Mike created the genius original in 2011 (which remained a mostly underground product used by many pros), and you can go back in this thread (and our 30 page PDF) and read the deeper history - but this Celebrity Presage project is a MIKE MAIONE & BRETT BARRY production, and Mike has been vital and integral to everything.

Mike's name may not be as well known in product releases, but he has been a very successful comedy magician for decades in New York and has been attending Fechter’s Finger Flicking Frolic (4F) for many years. He is well known and respected within the magic community as someone with great ideas.

Celebrity Presage also incorporates brilliant suggestions by Spidey, the inspirations of Steve Valentine, and the blessings of Marc Kerstein (who at the last minute generously allowed the WikiTest words).
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