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E.S. Andrews New user 63 Posts |
We aren't talking about advertising and consumer behavior at the moment, Mr. S.
We're talking about conspiratorial ideation (aka conspiracy ideation, conspiracy belief) as expressed in the conspiracy theorist's latest delusional cause celebre: disbelief in the New York medical examiner's finding of suicide in the death of Jeffrey Epstein (his second attempt, this time hanging himself in his cell with his bedsheet tied to the upper bunk), in favor of yet another outlandish conspiracy theory that is unsubstantiated by any credible evidence. Whether conspiratorial ideation will be classified as a mental disorder in the DSM, and whether effective treatments can be found, remain to be seen. For now, the prevailing view among psychiatrists and psychologists is that the conspiracy credulous exhibit traits indicative of disordered thinking. This thread, and others like it, support that view. |
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Mr Salk Special user Tied to 568 Posts |
Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean They're not out to getcha.
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Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27297 Posts |
Https://www.scribd.com/document/42295331......-Epstein
Small pockets of them does nut prove the existence of "they" -agreed.
...to all the coins I've dropped here
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magicfish Inner circle 7006 Posts |
Like I said, the guy committed suicide. Pretty standard, which is why we have suicide watch- but he was taken off. So he killed himself.
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tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 16544 Posts |
I admit propaganda works on them.
If there is a single truth about Magic, it is that nothing on earth so efficiently evades it.
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Animated Puppets Loyal user Lost on a Green Screen 285 Posts |
Aliens!
I still recall the day I met Beaker from the Muppets. He said to me "Meep, meep, mee mee mee Meep!", and that has made all the difference.
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landmark Inner circle within a triangle 5194 Posts |
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On Aug 25, 2019, Dannydoyle wrote: ? Where have I ever mentioned anything about the state of mind of the guards? Kind of left field there, Danny.
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bcstoner New user 24 Posts |
Epstein was LITERALLY the most important prisoner the US was holding at the time. The people he knew and the things he knew about them would've been talked about for decades, possibly centuries. He should've been the most guarded prisoner in the history of prisoners. Well above El Chapo and anyone else. But no..
Lets just look at the strange thinks that took place. 1. Epstein was found unresponsive in his cell, with marks around his neck less than 3 weeks prior from an apparent suicide attempt. He was placed on suicide watch but taken off 6 days later. 2. Epstein was then placed in a cell that had no cameras monitoring the cell. 3. Prison policy where he was being kept stated that he was supposed to have a cellmate with him because of his suicide risk. Epsteins cellmate, the night of his death was moved by guards and they never replaced the cellmate or returned the other. 4. Prison policy also stated that Epstein should've been checked on every 30 minutes. This policy was not followed but that really doesn't even matter since it's such a **** policy. Someone can do A LOT of hard to themselves in 30 minutes. Anyways. Epstein was left, alone, in his cell, for almost 3 hours. Why? Because the guards responsible for him were asleep. One was on their fifth straight day of overtime, while the other was working mandatory overtime. 5. 2 days prior to Epsteins death, he signed and redrafted his will. He transferred all of his money and estate over to his brother. If this isn't a red flag saying 'Hey guys.. I think he might be planning on trying to kill himself or knows someone is planning on killing him' then I don't know what is. I wont give into if I believe he did it, someone did it for him, or if someone setup the circumstances that would allow him to do it. But I can say for a fact that prison policy, pure negligence, and total lack of common sense sure made it easy. He not only hurt countless victims during his lifetime. He denied these victims ever getting the justice they deserved. He was allowed to take the easy way out. |
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
You know die absolute fact all those c strange things" happened?
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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E.S. Andrews New user 63 Posts |
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On Aug 26, 2019, bcstoner wrote: An accurate statement based on the factual information reported. Incompetence and stupidity does not an outlandish conspiracy make. Plus, as you note, neither a longer suicide watch (they don't continue indefinitely) nor more regular monitoring (but for sleepy, overtaxed guards due to budget and staffing cuts) would have prevented this suicide. A determined suicidal prisoner will get the job done regardless. |
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landmark Inner circle within a triangle 5194 Posts |
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A determined suicidal prisoner will get the job done regardless. Have you looked at the suicide stats for MCC?
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E.S. Andrews New user 63 Posts |
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On Aug 26, 2019, landmark wrote: To my knowledge, there aren't any available statistics comparing: 1. Suicide attempts of federal detainees in general to suicide attempts at the Manhattan Correctional Center, 2. Successful suicides of federal detainees in general to successful suicides at the MCC, or 3. Suicide attempts and successful suicides of detainees at the MCC before recent federal budget cuts vs suicide attempts and successful suicides of detainees at the MCC after the budget cuts and resulting staff shortages and overtaxed personnel. Even if there were, so what? Let's say that 99% of federal detainees don’t attempt suicide and that of the 1% that do, half are successful. The half of 1% that succeed, as determined by the medical examiner or coroner, were actually murdered pursuant to a dark conspiracy requiring untold numbers of conspirators plus a head of the conspiracy giving the order? Some federal detainees and some inmates attempt suicide, and some are successful. Epstein tried it twice. His second attempt was successful, as determined by the New York medical examiner. Did you know that another high-flying disgraced financier facing criminal charges killed himself around the same time as Epstein? His name was Adrian Hill, age 60. He drowned himself in his swimming pool by crawling under the pool's cover and sliding into the water. Mr. Hill was an architect of the subprime mortgage lending practice in the UK that sparked the worldwide financial crisis in 2008. He knew a lot of bad things and hurt a lot of people who will never get closure. Was Hill silenced by the same big, bad conspiracy that silenced Epstein? Were his autopsy and cause-of-death rulings coerced or bought, like Epstein's would have to have been for the conspiracy nuts to have their day? At least 40 disgraced financiers killed themselves in the 17 months after March 2013 when the global banking scandal unfolded. Surely they knew a lot of bad things about a lot powerful people, and surely they left victims unsatisfied by offing themselves. Were they actually murdered too? By the same nameless, faceless conspirators that murdered Hill and Epstein? Were these the same nebulous conspirators behind the Jade Helm army training exercises that were a cover to take over Texas? To fake the six United States moon landings? To stage the D.B. Cooper false flag airline hijacking? Wow. What a bleak and solipsistic world you conspiracy ideationists have constructed for yourselves. |
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magicfish Inner circle 7006 Posts |
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On Aug 26, 2019, landmark wrote: Have you looked at the stats of suicidal detainees who werenton suicide watch? |
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Mr Salk Special user Tied to 568 Posts |
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On Aug 26, 2019, E.S. Andrews wrote: Geez dude. You've lumped the true-wackos into a group pondering the possibility that the facts surrounding Epstein's demise aren't entirely transparent. There are absolutely true-conspiracies and misinformation propagated by big-money and nation-states: killing electric cars, climate-denial, overprescribing opioids etc. The existence of Bigfoot-aficionados and Area-51-crashers doesn't negate the possibility of new-order meddling.
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
It doesn't prove it either.
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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Mr Salk Special user Tied to 568 Posts |
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On Aug 26, 2019, Dannydoyle wrote: Nobody is trying to prove anything. It's all a jape. After this we're all gonna gang over to another forum and argue about the celebrity-casting of the new Street Fighter live-action movie.
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tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 16544 Posts |
The most important piece of evidence will be the landing officer's book.
If there is a single truth about Magic, it is that nothing on earth so efficiently evades it.
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landmark Inner circle within a triangle 5194 Posts |
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At least 40 disgraced financiers killed themselves in the 17 months after March 2013 when the global banking scandal unfolded. How many of these exactly were in Federal lockup?
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landmark Inner circle within a triangle 5194 Posts |
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On Aug 26, 2019, Dannydoyle wrote: Absolutely correct. And I don't say it does. I say there's more investigation to be done. I'm not a fan of the "Nothing to see here, move along, case closed," point of view. It's a curious lack of curiosity, in my opinion.
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magicfish Inner circle 7006 Posts |
This is the most believable, most predictable, prisoner suicide I'm aware of.
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