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"If I aim a gun at you and order you to stab yourself, is it suicide?" So every long walk across a short pier is a suicide? No.
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On Aug 22, 2019, Dannydoyle wrote: You're missing my point completely. Did the MD know all the facts surrounding the death? All the facts, not just the medical ones. Until they come out, a verdict of suicide is premature.
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On Aug 22, 2019, landmark wrote: Incorrect. Suicide is suicide. Death by one's own hand. Now if anyone coerced that person through social media or blackmail or shaming, then they can be investigated and charged. But that isn't for the medical examiner to decide. He doesn't need to deal with the grassy knoll. He determines the cause of death. |
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tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 16544 Posts |
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On Aug 20, 2019, magicfish wrote: Suicide is the deliberate killing of oneself: that is intentional and not accidental. So your big difference is so small that I cannot see it even with a microscope.
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On Aug 22, 2019, landmark wrote: Long walk on a short pier? Could you explain what you mean by this? |
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On Aug 22, 2019, tommy wrote: There is a huge difference between intentionally killing yourself (suicide) and someone else killing you (homicide). Pretty straight forward no? |
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
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On Aug 22, 2019, landmark wrote: And you are missing mine. Do you aurally have any clue what goes into a determination like this? If not then yout claiming ANYTHING is premature.
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tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 16544 Posts |
No: "Someone else killing you" can also be accidental and not (homicide). It is pretty obvious you are wrong again.
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Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27297 Posts |
There's opinion and intention in language. Especially language which treats a process as noun, or a life as a fact.
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tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 16544 Posts |
We don’t need to wait for the official story because we all know what it will be: It was a lone nut and not a conspiracy.
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Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27297 Posts |
@tommy, so far we have item 6a on the form visible on page 21 of the will scribid linked earlier - it says "Pending Further Study". There's some discussion of terms and usage in the Medical Examiners guide linked from the CDC a few posts after.
My opinion is that the circumstances as described are mysterious in an uncomfortable way.
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tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 16544 Posts |
Thank you but I will have to read it to see or try to see what you are getting at. That sounds odd anyway: I mean I don't think one can have that sort of condition in a valid will.
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Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27297 Posts |
? Item linked from scribid contains the will, the court filing, and then the death certificate. Look on the last page (21) for the certificate. On the certificate item 6a is cause of death.
Details about terms used on the certificate and role of the medical examiner can found in the CDC guide linked from the CDC.
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magicfish Inner circle 7004 Posts |
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On Aug 22, 2019, tommy wrote: Incorrect. With all due respect Tommy, homicide is not necessarily intentional. It includes accidental. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homicide |
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On Aug 22, 2019, magicfish wrote: Think "Walking the plank." All those folks on pirate boats were just committing suicide?
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On Aug 22, 2019, Jonathan Townsend wrote: But Jon, that was pending the medical examiner's report which did come later. So not really germane to the discussion. The examiner's report supersedes the death certificate I would think.
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tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 16544 Posts |
Right, I see it. You mean the Death Certificate says Cause Pending Further Study. Well, it was filed Aug 11. At which point I guess they were still inquiring into the cause. I think all one needs to file a death is a form signed by a doctor or two. One takes that form to the registry office of births and deaths. His Brother probably needed the death cert for legal reasons, like getting money out the bank, if he is next of kin. I don't see anything wrong with it.
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magicfish Inner circle 7004 Posts |
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On Aug 22, 2019, landmark wrote: You're kidding right? You're using a form of execution as your argument? So like walking into a gas chamber, or laying on an injection table? Please tell me you're kidding. |
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On Aug 22, 2019, tommy wrote: No. Someone else killing you is homicide which can include accidental or intentional. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homicide |
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"If I aim a gun at you and order you to stab yourself, is it suicide?" My point is that the answer to this question cannot be suicide, any more than walking the plank is.
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