|
|
Go to page [Previous] 1~2~3~4~5~6~7~8~9~10 | ||||||||||
JonHackl Regular user Western Australia 198 Posts |
Nikodemus, I'm not actually sure how long it took, and mine is a strange case anyway. I've been riffle shuffling since I was a kid, but I really struggled to learn to overhand shuffle at all, let alone any kind of false shuffle. For some reason I just couldn't do it without extra cards sliding off, flipping and falling and so on. It was a mess, and very frustrating. I think I was culling before I could overhand shuffle.
Anyway, the only reason I wanted to learn to overhand shuffle was for controls and false shuffles, so I was practicing them at the same time I was practicing normal shuffles. I didn't really pay attention to how long it took. I just shuffled, lifted, ran cards any time I had a deck in my hands, watching TV, whatever. Working up to 5ish packets wasn't something I really did deliberately. I just got a feel for it as I kept using the lift shuffle, both in practice and performance. It's just more natural for me to chop packets about that size when shuffling, so that's the way my lift shuffle developed. It's not mechanical, just natural, so if I chop a little bigger for whatever reason, I might end up doing 4 packets, or if smaller it might be 6 or 7. If I actually deliberately focus on doing small packets, I can do 10ish in a single shuffle. But there wouldn't be any reason to do that in performance! I should probably watch this Biz video. It took me longer than 3 days, I know that. Was it a week, two weeks, a month? I don't really know. Just one day I felt my overhand was usable, and not long after that I felt like the lift was there too, so I started using them in performance.
"Magic is the only kind of entertainment where 90% of the audience is trying to ruin it for themselves." - Pete Holmes
https://www.lybrary.com/ivy-p-925586.html |
|||||||||
JonHackl Regular user Western Australia 198 Posts |
Bob, I think this a perfect case to apply the standard advice, that smoothness and naturalness are more important than speed. "Slow is smooth, smooth is fast." The best way to speed it up is to slow it down in practice and make sure it's flowing smoothly. Then you'll build up speed.
I should watch this Biz video, but I don't think there's any need to do the shuffle "lightning" fast! That certainly sounds faster than I do it, but it's also faster than I would do a normal shuffle! In performance I don't want to look like I've never touched a deck before, but I also don't want to look like some nimble card expert. So I won't plod along like Ekat recommends, but I'm also not going to worry about flying through the shuffle. I try to do it in a brisk, steady, natural pace, like I would with a normal overhand shuffle. Since you're very interested in the shuffle, I'll give you a couple more tips. One is the sound of the shuffle. For me, I found my normal overhand sounded different. With the lift, the cards would "talk" both as my right hand came down and as it went up. However, in a normal shuffle they really only talked when the right hand came up. It's just a matter of the angle at which the right hand holds it's packet, whether the cards scrape on the way down. So all I did was change the normal shuffle a little to match the sound of the lift shuffle, like a second-dealer might modify his top deal to match his second. The other tip is one I don't worry about, but you might, and that's angles. I've heard magicians worry that it's so obvious when they watch the lift shuffle that the packet in the left hand isn't getting any bigger. I think it's obvious to us, sure, but not so much to spectators. I might have shared the story where a guy was burning my hands as I did a false cut followed by a lift shuffle. After the trick he said he spotted the false cut, but he guessed it didn't matter since I followed it with a shuffle. I said, "Yeah, I sometimes throw in a false cut to see what I can get away with." He was burning my hands at just the right angle to catch the lift, and he was attentive enough to catch the false cut, but he thought the shuffle was genuine. Anyway, that's just one example. I don't worry about it, because from experience I don't think the lift shuffle is as obvious as magicians worry it is. But if I were worried, I'd just treat it like any angle-sensitive sleight. If I turn a little to my right so the card backs in my left hand face the spectator(s), then they won't see the size of the packet there. Or I could turn to the left a little, like I would with a spread pass for example. Any angle where they're not looking straight at the side of the packet in the left hand should do.
"Magic is the only kind of entertainment where 90% of the audience is trying to ruin it for themselves." - Pete Holmes
https://www.lybrary.com/ivy-p-925586.html |
|||||||||
SleightlySpooky New user 50 Posts |
The combination shuffle from Benjamin Earl is pretty deceptive.
|
|||||||||
Bob G Inner circle 2831 Posts |
Thanks for all the good advice, Jon, and the funny story about following the false cut by a lift shuffle. I don't remember if someone on this thread gave a link to the Biz video, but I think you'll find it if you search for 52kards false shuffle.
Bob |
|||||||||
JonHackl Regular user Western Australia 198 Posts |
I found it. It turns out, I have seen it, but didn't remember it. He does execute a bit quicker than I do. I hold the packets in a way that gives a bit more cover in the right hand, which I'll try to explain in a PM.
"Magic is the only kind of entertainment where 90% of the audience is trying to ruin it for themselves." - Pete Holmes
https://www.lybrary.com/ivy-p-925586.html |
|||||||||
ltrblst Loyal user 226 Posts |
Finally Biz put out a full instructional on this "continuous pick up shuffle"
https://bigblindmedia.com/products/perfe......download It looks great! |
|||||||||
Bob G Inner circle 2831 Posts |
Is this download significantly different from the one he put on Asad's channel, 52kards?
Bob |
|||||||||
ltrblst Loyal user 226 Posts |
Quote:
On Jun 4, 2021, Bob G wrote: I don't know, it is 36 vs 14 minutes however. |
|||||||||
countrymaven Inner circle 1426 Posts |
I want to thank each and every one of the contributors here. This is an amazing bunch of solutions to the problem of a great shuffle, especially doing walk around magic. Bam, done!!! Several great solutions.
|
|||||||||
JonHackl Regular user Western Australia 198 Posts |
Quote:
On Jun 4, 2021, ltrblst wrote: Not only is it longer, but the contents include "multiple card displacement", which I don't think is covered in the 52 Kards video. I don't bother with the card displacement business anyway, since I execute this kind of shuffle face down normally, but it may be of interest to others. I'd hazard a guess that there may be more in the "subtleties" and "advanced subtleties" than he included on youtube, but that's only a guess on my part.
"Magic is the only kind of entertainment where 90% of the audience is trying to ruin it for themselves." - Pete Holmes
https://www.lybrary.com/ivy-p-925586.html |
|||||||||
Gennovense Regular user 113 Posts |
Hmm try to form an angle between the packets, a 35 degree angle I would say, that should help.
|
|||||||||
Einmaliger Regular user Germany 199 Posts |
Quote:
On Jun 3, 2021, ltrblst wrote: I purchased it and was a bit disappointed that it is mostly identical to the "Complete Overhand False Shuffle" from Apocalypse (Vol. 7, No. 5). |
|||||||||
Bob G Inner circle 2831 Posts |
Hi folks,
Just an update: partly due to people's helpful ideas, and partly because of lots of practice and the mysterious chemistry that happens over time, I'm able to do the G. W. Hunter shuffle consistently. Picture me throwing confetti! Meanwhile, for those of you who have Richard Kauffman's wonderful recent book, Mr. Jennings Takes It Easy, there's an interesting full-deck false shuffle there that is somewhat similar to the one that Biz shows. I didn't look carefully, but I *think* that it has the advantage that you keep throwing packets back into the left hand, so that the left hand is never completely empty. Thanks for all your help, Bob |
|||||||||
Nikodemus Inner circle 1140 Posts |
I have noticed my Hunter shuffle is much much better. (Specifically being able to run singles consistently). I think over time your brain just "tunes in" to handling the cards more precisely.
|
|||||||||
pnerd Regular user 164 Posts |
Joshua Jay has one that he showed in one of his live videos on Facebook or Instagram (during the lockdown). He called it the Chili Shuffle. It's a series of cuts, but in his hands, it looks like a genuine overhand shuffle. Not sure if it's in any of his published material.
|
|||||||||
Ray J Inner circle St. Louis, MO 1503 Posts |
Quote:
On Oct 12, 2021, Nikodemus wrote: Many of the things people ask about would sort themselves out over time and with proper attention to detail. I won't cast stones because I'm probably as guilty as most, but there doesn't seem to be much patience these days. Results have to be quick or there must be something wrong. That is the prevailing attitude but it has never been true.
It's never crowded on the extra mile....
|
|||||||||
Bob G Inner circle 2831 Posts |
Nick, Yes, I've noticed the "mind tuning in" phenomenon too. Glad you sorted out your shuffle.
Tortuga, I have to agree. I ran for help too early pretty often in my early days on the Café -- of course I didn't have the experience to *know* it was too early. In other cases, though, despite *lots* of practice over months or even years, something seems to get in my way. I'm not sure I'll ever have a consistent DL. People are helping me out, yet again, on another thread. Wish me luck! Bob |
|||||||||
The Magic Cafe Forum Index » » The workers » » Easy full-deck false shuffle? -- Hunter is driving me nuts! :) (45 Likes) | ||||||||||
Go to page [Previous] 1~2~3~4~5~6~7~8~9~10 |
[ Top of Page ] |
All content & postings Copyright © 2001-2024 Steve Brooks. All Rights Reserved. This page was created in 0.05 seconds requiring 5 database queries. |
The views and comments expressed on The Magic Café are not necessarily those of The Magic Café, Steve Brooks, or Steve Brooks Magic. > Privacy Statement < |