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elliott_6388
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Hello all!
As I become ever more curious about this art form, my current location makes me wonder if I can even get some practical experience in. I am living in South Korea nowadays and what I would like to know is if anyone here has had experience with a subject who speaks only a little English; speaking some of course, just not fluently.
I recently had an experience of dropping little linguistic anchor points on a friend during an outing (he is Korean)... I later asked him to think of a card and revealed it to him. Seemed to obscure to be a coincidence and I felt pretty pleased with my self haha! However, he is a dear friend and is more aware of my speech patterns.
Im aware that my story isn’t strictly in the realms if hypnosis but imagine my question applies to hypnosis and a purer form of mentalism alike.
So, any experience performing these kinda if things abroad??
Many thanks in advance
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Ok so you have fallen for the NLP pitch. First thing to do is forget everything you think you know about that.
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On Oct 4, 2019, Dannydoyle wrote:
Ok so you have fallen for the NLP pitch. First thing to do is forget everything you think you know about that.


I believe you could be mistaken, perhaps I have explained poorly but I believe what I am talking about has nothing to do with NLP. Unless you care to
expand?
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Linguistic anchor points are snake oil.

https://www.nlpworld.co.uk/nlp-glossary/a/anchoring/

NLP is hogwash and has been discredited in all but the movies.
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When I was practising as a hypnotherapist I had many clients who were not native English speakers, and it caused very few problems. Even those experiencing past life regression talked to me in English.

On another note, I used NLP techniques all the time with my clients. NLP is a ragbag of many different techniques, some more effective than others. They aren't all based on linguistics. You can't dismiss "NLP" as a whole as hogwash. Sorry.

Barry
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The scientific community does. I'll go with their opinion.

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Neurolinguistic_programming

What is your degree in when it comes to therapy?

From the article.

"Neurolinguistic programming has now been identified as one of a top 10 most discredited interventions according to a published research survey by Norcross et al. (2006)"
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Https://www.theguardian.com/stage/shortc......ad-minds

I remember when this came out... Many of today's magic-mentalists got booty hurt.
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NLP is hogwash and has been discredited in all but the movies.


Well, movies and the PUA scene.
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On Oct 5, 2019, Dannydoyle wrote:
NLP is hogwash and has been discredited in all but the movies.


Well, movies and the PUA scene.


Exactly. I forgot about that! That scene has faded a bit thank God.

The weekend therapist crowd HAS to believe in NLP. It is practically a religious belief. Otherwise you have to actually go get an education and that takes a LOT A OF TIME! Who wants to do that when you can just learn some nonsense in a weekend?
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What is your degree in when it comes to therapy?



My degree is in Psychology. Next question?
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How is it you disagree with the discrediting of NLP?
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On Oct 6, 2019, mindmagic wrote:
When I was practising as a hypnotherapist I had many clients who were not native English speakers, and it caused very few problems. Even those experiencing past life regression talked to me in English.

On another note, I used NLP techniques all the time with my clients. NLP is a ragbag of many different techniques, some more effective than others. They aren't all based on linguistics. You can't dismiss "NLP" as a whole as hogwash. Sorry.

Barry

Thanks so much for your reply. I had just imagined that certain trigger words would have lesser impact, as they do not resonate as strongly in second language speakers. Very interesting indeed.

A lot of these things are on shakey ground about NLP for sure. Perhaps I used the wrong terminology, could linguistic hints be more appropriate? For example Derren Browns method of Mental !@#$es are pretty darn reliable. These methods would be extremely difficult to test under clinical conditions as the subject would have to be in a desired condition. Anecdotal evidence is also valuable, but one has to disect it more carefully.
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The plural of anecdote is not data. It is not valuable at all.
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I've yet to see how any of this has anything to do with performance hypnosis?
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