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Zebras, levers, Christmas carols...we'd better strengthen the dose.
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Putting the aside risk of providing insight to bad actors...

https://www.engadget.com/2019/09/11/did-......t-notice
NB the original link would have included this too --> "/?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAALOLARilNaSyuH4bO2HU_f7oZh_mrCHgUJD1j1uP2OIQ3Ujr_W2WlOodPeQ6m7objCW4lf521EMgWJdap1PB-36Ctms_BLotegoqTBnZtVohriAKLXGjUr1DTJPbeVEjgOlRdtNscq-0Hazef3VHbA1dkhthUEnsAh57Dg-PL_JT"

https://openai.com/blog/better-language-models/

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This was fun while it was lucid.
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I argue that even if we are in a flood of information and fighting to stay above water in our choices - that the water itself is not bad.

The first thing on the Taylor & Francis site is the picture. https://www.tandfonline.com/ See the zebra. Check out the article https://www.tandfonline.com/story-behind-August-2019
Not the best source of research, data, or informed opinion. Nice of them to sneak in the word deviance.

That string after the engadget.com article link came from the internet. The article is about programs to filter out spam emails. The article says they are winning. The fact of that string suggests the battleground moved to data we don't see directly. That's not monkeys randomly typing or a just a program randomly producing content. Smile
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I'm sure there are far more coroner's reports listing the cause of death as "bullet wound" than "internet".

That's pretty disingenuous, and, frankly, a lot more callous than I'd have expected from you.


Not sure what's disingenuous (or callous) about it. Do you think more people die as a direct result of the internet than from guns??

Ron
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On Oct 18, 2019, magicfish wrote:
"If we agree that death, pain, and suffering are generally bad things, then the gun can be directly tied to those things much more than the internet can. The best you've done is to posit that the internet can (possibly) be a contributing factor in some cases. There's not much in the way of direct causation. I'm sure there are far more coroner's reports listing the cause of death as "bullet wound" than "internet". 

Once again, nothing to do with causation. You are on this gun thing. And that's fine, but again it is purely subjective. You think guns are worse for humankind than the internet. You've given some relatively small numbers about deaths or injuries per year in a certain country.


Does the internet cause problems or not? This has everything to do with causation.

You are on this internet thing. And that's fine, but again it is purely subjective. You think the internet is worse for humankind than guns. You've given some unsubstantiated numbers about deaths or injuries.

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"You'd have to squint pretty hard to see the "upside" of disease, natural disasters ("disaster" is part of the term!), wars, and forest fires. The upside of guns is debatable as well. But even if we grant whatever upside they may have, it still doesn't come close to the upside of the internet, imo."

Remember any and all negatives of something,anything, that is 3-4 billion strong and growing is going to have a massive impact on human life.
Nolan Ryan had the most strikeouts but doesn't he also have the most walks?
Golden Retrievers account for the most dog bites on humans.
Just sheer numbers of course.
Weak analogies but you get my point.


Yes, I get your point. I just don't buy your argument that the internet is the worst thing ever.

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This was fun while it was lucid.


Yep!!

Ron
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Not sure what's disingenuous (or callous) about it. Do you think more people die as a direct result of the internet than from guns??

Ron


What does "direct-result" mean? What about trigger-fingers? Bullets? Motivations?
Why is death The Gun's fault?
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What if the internet influences you to get a gun and shoot somebody? Do we blame the gun or the internet?
I can certainly see where the internet may have played a big part in a shooting.


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Unfortunately, it plays a huge part in mass shootings.
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Hmmm? 🤔
So here we are,...on the internet,
discussing "How 'bad' the Internet is",..
backing up our argument,..
with research,..
found thru the internet...

Sounds a bit 'fishy', to me.

Gallagher

p.s.: At the last body-count,
we're still at...... 0.

p.s.s.: Anybody want to bet that Greg,
the initiator of the Thread,
ISN'T
back 'on-line'?
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If it wasn’t for the internet I would never have bought three picnic sets.
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On Oct 19, 2019, gallagher wrote:
Hmmm? 🤔
So here we are,...on the internet,
discussing "How 'bad' the Internet is",..
backing up our argument,..
with research,..
found thru the internet...

Sounds a bit 'fishy', to me.

Gallagher

p.s.: At the last body-count,
we're still at...... 0.

p.s.s.: Anybody want to bet that Greg,
the initiator of the Thread,
ISN'T
back 'on-line'?
☺️


And tonight I'll have a drink and talk about my liver, then have a pizza and talk about cholesterol and blood pressure.
I could send a letter critiquing the postal service or make a call to complain about the phone service.
Using the internet to discuss the internet is no different. Let's put that one to bed shall we?
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Not sure what's disingenuous (or callous) about it. Do you think more people die as a direct result of the internet than from guns??

Ron


What does "direct-result" mean? What about trigger-fingers? Bullets? Motivations?


The internet is basically conceptual. Like the economy. Sure it's implemented by hardware and wires and machines and electricity and keyboards, etc. But as a concept it is incapable of directly killing/harming somebody. At best, it can be a motivator and an influencer. But I don't see how it could be the primary cause of death/injury. On the other hand, bullets, by virtue of destroying one's internal organs upon entering the body, are a primary/direct cause of injury/death.

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Why is death The Gun's fault?


Now you seem to be introducing "blame", which is not the same as "cause of death". Do you agree that people can and do die as a result of gunshot wounds?

Ron
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Unfortunately, it plays a huge part in mass shootings.


And how huge a part do the guns used in those mass shootings play???

If there were no guns, there could never be a mass shooting. On the other hand, if there were no internet, there could still be mass shootings.


Ron

PS - For the record, I'm NOT advocating for no guns. Just presenting some hypotheticals. And I don't want this to be a gun ownership debate. We're discussing the relative impacts of different technologies on society and their causal links.
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How many die as a result of automobile accidents?

How about electricity? Without it no Internet right?
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Why is death The Gun's fault?


Now you seem to be introducing "blame", which is not the same as "cause of death". Do you agree that people can and do die as a result of gunshot wounds?

Ron


Nobody blames rope for hangings.
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I do.
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We were wondering who nobody was.

The problem with the internet is that nobody moves. Only the mind moves in the net: on a magic carpet ride to far-away places. Therefore then, the internet is putting us all to death by body exercise deprivation.
If there is a single truth about Magic, it is that nothing on earth so efficiently evades it.

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On Oct 19, 2019, R.S. wrote:
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On Oct 18, 2019, Mr Salk wrote:

Why is death The Gun's fault?


Now you seem to be introducing "blame", which is not the same as "cause of death". Do you agree that people can and do die as a result of gunshot wounds?

Ron


Nobody blames rope for hangings.


Danny does. Anyway, does the rope play a primary role in the "cause of death"?

Ron
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