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Jonathan Townsend
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How do we blame the same rope as keeps our ships on dock for some ugly act of violence? The rope is not a WiFi device that took signals from the wrong netnwork, or an autonomous device which the user programmed.

We don't (yet) have smart objects. But from as long ago as The Golem, and more recently in The Twonky (1942, Philip K. Dick's story "Nanny", and Charlie Stross's "Rule 34" (2011) it's been pretty clear that smart devices come with consequences. Alexa, give them a flu.

We could shift the target of blame from "the internet" to "social media designed to capture user attention". How's that?
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The rope is the Method, like the Gun, and has nothing to do with 'Why' it was used. People don’t hang themselves because the rope is colored white.
And people don’t shoot others because the gun is pretty. The method and the reason are two completely different things. The internet gives people reasons,
or so they think, to commit crime. It’s a place where they can get attention and even justify the crime in their own mind. With the internet they now have
an audience to play to. The attention seekers with a messed up mind love it.

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So it's like religion?
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On Oct 19, 2019, Jonathan Townsend wrote:
How do we blame the same rope as keeps our ships on dock for some ugly act of violence? The rope is not a WiFi device that took signals from the wrong netnwork, or an autonomous device which the user programmed.

We don't (yet) have smart objects. But from as long ago as The Golem, and more recently in The Twonky (1942, Philip K. Dick's story "Nanny", and Charlie Stross's "Rule 34" (2011) it's been pretty clear that smart devices come with consequences. Alexa, give them a flu.

We could shift the target of blame from "the internet" to "social media designed to capture user attention". How's that?

No internet, no social media.
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So it's like religion?

Some religions, perhaps, but not all.
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Give 'em enough rope, and they'll hang themselves.
If there is a single truth about Magic, it is that nothing on earth so efficiently evades it.

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No internet, no social media.

We've had graffiti on walls and bathroom stalls, gossip magazines and Elvis sightings since people had black and white televisions.

Is this about IP traffic, Everybody can see online content, or something more?
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"We've had graffiti on walls and bathroom stalls, gossip magazines and Elvis sightings since people had black and white televisions. "
So what?
Jonathan Townsend
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So it's not public comment, sordid personal details made public, or specious reports designed to alert specific groups (Elvis fans in that example).

What then is your target of blame?
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Bullets can only kill the body but the net can destroy the soul.
If there is a single truth about Magic, it is that nothing on earth so efficiently evades it.

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For better, indifferent, or worse, we have an easy-to-use tool: https://steganography.live/encrypt

Please, please, don't impute values or intention onto "the internet", lest you get what you wished for.
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It doesn't need values or intentions imputed on it for it to be a bad thing for the world.
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I prefer to consider our ability to communicate a good thing about the world. Whether people move information around to help or harm a moral choice.
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So it's like religion?

Some religions, perhaps, but not all.



Maybe even more relevant to a lot of current day academia?
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People don’t hang themselves because the rope is colored white.
And people don’t shoot others because the gun is pretty.


Are you sure?
Those 2 reasons for death are almost rational compared to others that we know of.


Unbalanced people can surprise you with their reasoning, and I think just about everyone is imbalanced.
Magic is doing improbable things with odd items that, under normal circumstances, would be unnessecary and quite often undesirable.
Jonathan Townsend
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Firefox uses might breathe a little easier:
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=377496

Seems they sat on this bug for 12 years!
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Greg has virtually left the building.
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I prefer to consider our ability to communicate a good thing about the world. Whether people move information around to help or harm a moral choice.

Ideally, yes. But in reality, no.
Putting 4 billion people in the same room is never a good idea.
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There are spies working for twitter.
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On Nov 8, 2019, magicfish wrote:

Putting 4 billion people in the same room is never a good idea.


Especially if you have to wait for the one bathroom.
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